looking into a fuel only build

LovinPSDs · Jun 3, 2012

has there been any info about elites Stage II rails?

gman1 · Jun 4, 2012

dommel01 said:
what % are 60s

60hp = 15% Over stock
85hp = 30% Over stock
110hp = 70% Over stock
150hp = 100% Over stock

Dzchey21 · Jun 4, 2012

gman1 said:
60hp = 15% Over stock
85hp = 30% Over stock
110hp = 70% Over stock
150hp = 100% Over stock

110s are 60%
150s are 80%
200s are 100%

gman1 · Jun 4, 2012

dommel01 said:
what % are 60s

Dzchey21 said:
110s are 60%
150s are 80%
200s are 100%

I got this info from Anthony.

gman1 · Jun 4, 2012

OK I found the post. Is Anthony wrong?
http://powerstrokearmy.com/forums/showpost.php?p=266531&postcount=71

Dzchey21 · Jun 4, 2012

Yeah I have talked to Tadd about what they flow lpm wise. It was after Anthony posted that tho.

gman1 · Jun 4, 2012

Dzchey21 said:
Yeah I have talked to Tadd about what they flow lpm wise. It was after Anthony posted that tho.

OK sorry for the mix up. I was just posting what I read earlier.

Dzchey21 · Jun 4, 2012

gman1 said:
OK sorry for the mix up. I was just posting what I read earlier.

Yeah no worries at all I thought the same thing for awhile

UPINSMOKE · Jun 4, 2012

I assume you are building it for the Buck, tow powers are stock appearing enough to get through their techs, but may be a little more than you wanna spend. Up to you honestly.

Drop in Batmos may be your cheapest option as far as stock appearing chargers are concerned.

I personally think someone needs to drop a single s475/80 with some duel fuelers, and hang some weight with the "big boy" pro mod class...

All you need is 800+ to compete.

I think it'd be funny to see a 6.4 drive up, stomp the cummins and drive home. $.02

blk350on20s · Jun 4, 2012

PM'd ya. I do not have a regulator anywhere and my system maintains RP. I have an elite stage 1 pump though

woodduck97 · Jun 4, 2012

Your prob spinning tires a good bit with the tires you are running as well.

lubeowner · Jun 4, 2012

gman1 said:
60hp = 15% Over stock
85hp = 30% Over stock
110hp = 70% Over stock
150hp = 100% Over stock

Dzchey21 said:
110s are 60%
150s are 80%
200s are 100%

These numbers don't make any logical sense to me.

Here is my logic. If 15% adds 60hp and 110 hp are 60% or 70% whatever, then that means it takes about 45% or 55% to make the extra 50hp. In Dustin's example, going from 110 to 200 which is 90 hp, only takes anther 40% increase, which is over 2 hp per 1% increase, whereas going from 60 to 110 is a 50hp increase and takes 45% or almost 1 hp for 1%. In the other example it takes 55% to make 50hp and then another 30% to make the 40hp to get to the 150 hp level, which also makes no sense.

To me is seems that the 110hp percentage is out of line.

The only way it makes logical sense in my mind, as it is harder to make hp as powers increases, is with numbers like this:

Now if the 15% is accurate for the 60 hp nozzles then I would think it would have to go like:
15% = 60 hp or 4 hp per 1%
30% = 110 hp or 3.66 hp per 1%
50% = 150 hp or 3 hp per 1%
100% = 200 hp or 2 hp per 1%

madman1234509 · Jun 4, 2012

blk350on20s said:
PM'd ya. I do not have a regulator anywhere and my system maintains RP. I have an elite stage 1 pump though

Ahh maybe it wasnt you then, my bad. Someone on here had their own lift pump system and had problems holding RP, and their return wasnt regulated, cant remember what injectors or injector pump they were running. But they put their return through the regulator and it solved all issues

Corb@CorbinShipping · Jun 4, 2012

lubeowner said:
These numbers don't make any logical sense to me.

Here is my logic. If 15% adds 60hp and 110 hp are 60% or 70% whatever, then that means it takes about 45% or 55% to make the extra 50hp. In Dustin's example, going from 110 to 200 which is 90 hp, only takes anther 40% increase, which is over 2 hp per 1% increase, whereas going from 60 to 110 is a 50hp increase and takes 45% or almost 1 hp for 1%. In the other example it takes 55% to make 50hp and then another 30% to make the 40hp to get to the 150 hp level, which also makes no sense.

To me is seems that the 110hp percentage is out of line.

The only way it makes logical sense in my mind, as it is harder to make hp as powers increases, is with numbers like this:

Now if the 15% is accurate for the 60 hp nozzles then I would think it would have to go like:
15% = 60 hp or 4 hp per 1%
30% = 110 hp or 3.66 hp per 1%
50% = 150 hp or 3 hp per 1%
100% = 200 hp or 2 hp per 1%

From what I gather, it is % of flow, as in Liters Per Minute LPM, Not % of HP increase... or maybe even % increase in bore size of the nozzles.... which would closely mimic flow rate increases anyhow....

Dzchey21 · Jun 4, 2012

Ccorbin said:
From what I gather, it is % of flow, as in Liters Per Minute LPM, Not % of HP increase... or maybe even % increase in bore size of the nozzles.... which would closely mimic flow rate increases anyhow....

Yeah pretty much Corb...

tensixniner · Jun 5, 2012

Where did the % flow = HP equivalent numbers come from?

I see Elite has the nozzles listed in HP rating.
Maryland Diesel Performance has some listed in HP and some in %.

Nos_GTSR · Jun 5, 2012

I have a good II pump what you looking to spend?

Spatel23 · Jun 5, 2012

Would adding all these fuel upgrades without a bit more turbo/air not cause things to get hot?

Corb@CorbinShipping · Jun 5, 2012

tensixniner said:
Where did the % flow = HP equivalent numbers come from?

I see Elite has the nozzles listed in HP rating.
Maryland Diesel Performance has some listed in HP and some in %.

I have seen a formula (dont ask me to reproduce it...) on how much fuel will support how much HP.... That, and once you have turbos, how much air they will flow, etc, etc ,etc.... My 110s are enough to support over 1,000 HP with the help of NOS, and 900 on fuel, with proper turbo selection, and efficiency of other products. My truck will retain the AC, Power steering, etc, so I will likely only see 800 ish... which, a similar setup, with stock fuel, only made 680 on my rig.... I got a little more air flow, and 110 injectors....... bam, should be sitting around 800..... 110-120 more than stock fuel...