6.0 Dash Cluster In A 7.3?

Powerstroke Man 6.4

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Yes okay I know there is a lot of threads out there of stick 6.0 dash clusters in 7.3 but... I have a friend that has or (going to have) 2 6.0's a 03 and 07 He has a 03 XLT SCSB is a parts truck but it is complete and the 07 is going to be his DD if he buys it 4 door king ranch SB with 24,000 miles. Is it possible to take the 03 dash clusters out and run it in the 7.3? Would I have to use the 6.0 PCM as a standalone controller for the gauges and also use the 6.0 wiring harness or is it impossible? I'm not going to do it right now but i'm thinking about it. I know I know you guys are probably thinking why the heck is he going to do this well I think the 7.3 1999-2001 clusters are hideous LOL so is it possible? or no. I know if I do it i'm going to have to figure out how to put the correct miles on the new cluster. Yes I know my 1999.5 is not CAN but is it possible to switch over.
 

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interesting.

I'd like to use the dash from an 08 on up. I prefer that over the older dash. Not a 6.0 ----> 7.3 question but same basic idea.
 

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interesting.

I'd like to use the dash from an 08 on up. I prefer that over the older dash. Not a 6.0 ----> 7.3 question but same basic idea.

Yeah I would love to have a 08 dash in my 7.3. If we had a spare 08 that'll be awesome but my 6.4 CCSB DRW is still running I want to keep it that way LOL.
 

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Okay how about a 02 CAN cluster would I have to get a CAN harness and CAN PCM? To run it and where would I get the 02 cluster from? could you buy a new cluster or would you have to get it used? What else would I need to do the swap?
 

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Okay can a 03 CAN 7.3 PCM control a 2003 6.0 cluster?

if they are bolth can operated? then yes.



2003 Ford Truck F 350 4WD Super Duty V8-6.0L DSL Turbo
Vehicle » Instrument Panel, Gauges and Warning Indicators » Description and Operation » Instrument Cluster » Principles of Operation (How Does It Work?)
PRINCIPLES OF OPERATION (HOW DOES IT WORK?)
PRINCIPLES OF OPERATION

The instrument cluster is a configurable, hybrid electronic cluster (HEC) that contains a microprocessor, gauges, indicator lamps, backlighting lamps and internal circuitry. The instrument cluster is non-repairable at the dealership level with the exception of the warning indicator bulb, the backlighting bulb and the instrument cluster lens replacement. The instrument cluster utilizes hardwired circuitry, the standard corporate protocol (SCP), and UART based protocol (UBP) communication networks. Communication using the SCP network transmits and receives data between the instrument cluster and the PCM. Communication using the UBP network utilizes data transmitted and received by the instrument cluster and the body security module, driver seat module and the electronic air temperature control (EATC).

It is very important to understand:
where the input originates from.
all the information necessary in order for a feature to operate.
which module(s) receive(s) the input or command message.
whether the module which received the input controls the output of the feature, or whether it outputs a message over the SCP or UBP network to another module.
which module controls the output of the feature.
The instrument cluster carries out a display prove-out to verify that the warning/indicator lamps and monitored systems are operating correctly. When the ignition switch is turned to the ON position with the engine off, the following indicators will illuminate:
LOW RANGE indicator
4x4 high indicator
BRAKE warning indicator
malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) indicator
check fuel cap indicator
CHECK GAGE warning indicator
door ajar indicator
low fuel warning indicator
safety belt warning indicator
wait to start indicator
water in fuel indicator
Gauge Indication Systems
The instrument cluster and gauges are non-repairable at the dealership level. No adjustment, calibration, or maintenance is required for any gauges.

Instrument Cluster Replacement

CAUTION: When installing a new instrument cluster, the instrument cluster must be re-configured.
When installing a new instrument cluster, contact a Ford authorized instrument cluster repair facility.

Speedometer
The instrument cluster is hardwired to the four wheel anti-lock brake system (4WABS) module. The instrument cluster micro-processor monitors the vehicle speed sensor (VSS) data from the 4WABS module and commands the speedometer with a corresponding movement of the pointer. The vehicle speed signal is generated by the rear anti-lock brake sensor and sent to the 4WABS module. The 4WABS module sends the vehicle speed signal via circuit 679 (GY/BK) to all systems that require a vehicle speed signal input.

Odometer
A million-mile tamper-resistant odometer is standard. New speedometers have a reset table odometer.

NOTE: When installing a new instrument cluster some state laws require that the new odometer must register the same as the removed odometer.

If the actual vehicle mileage cannot be determined, the repair centers are able to supply odometers set to "0" miles. An odometer mileage sticker must display the estimated vehicle mileage and be affixed to the driver door jamb. The odometer mileage sticker is available through the parts distribution center.

Trip Odometer
The trip odometer indicates how many miles the vehicle has been driven since the last reset.

Fuel Gauge
The instrument cluster is hardwired to the fuel sending unit, which is a variable resistor controlled by the action of a float arm. When the fuel level is low, resistance in the unit is low. When the fuel level is high, the resistance is high. The instrument cluster micro-processor monitors the input from the fuel sender and commands the fuel gauge indication according to the fuel level data.

Temperature Gauge
On early production diesel engine vehicles, the instrument cluster is hardwired to the engine coolant temperature (ECT) sensor. When the engine temperature is low, the resistance of the water temperature indicator sender unit is high, thus restricting the flow of current to the instrument cluster. As the temperature of the coolant increases, the resistance decreases, allowing more current to flow to the instrument cluster. On vehicles equipped with gasoline engines and all late build vehicles, the instrument cluster receives the temperature signal from the powertrain control module (PCM) via the standard corporate (SCP) network.

Transmission Temperature Gauge (Automatic Transmission Only)
The instrument cluster receives the transmission temperature information from the PCM via the SCP network. The instrument cluster micro-processor monitors the transmission temperature data and commands the gauge indication with a corresponding movement of the pointer.

Oil Pressure Gauge
The instrument cluster is hardwired to the oil pressure sender unit. The instrument cluster micro-processor monitors the oil pressure data and commands the oil pressure gauge indication with a corresponding movement of the pointer. The oil pressure indicator sender unit consists of a diaphragm and contact points. The contact points are closed with oil pressure causing the gauge to indicate NORMAL oil pressure. With no oil pressure, the contacts open and the gauge indicates low oil pressure.

Voltage Gauge (Manual Transmission Only)
The voltage gauge displays the system voltage as measured at the instrument cluster run input.

Tachometer
Gasoline vehicles are equipped with a 6,000 rpm tachometer and diesel vehicles are equipped with a 4,500 rpm tachometer. The instrument cluster receives the tachometer data from the PCM via the SCP network and commands the tachometer according to the data.

Warning Indicators

Charging System Indicator
On vehicles equipped with gasoline engines and diesel engines with single generator, when the ignition switch contacts are closed, battery current flows through the charging system indicator and the parallel resistor (390 ohms) to the voltage regulator. Internal circuitry in the voltage regulator provides a ground path to the instrument cluster and the indicator illuminates. When the generator builds up enough voltage to energize the voltage regulator, voltage is applied to the ground side of the indicator effectively removing the ground path and turning the indicator off.

On diesel engine vehicles equipped with dual generators, when the ignition switch contacts are closed, battery current flows through the charging indicator and the parallel resistor (390 ohms) to the PCM. The PCM provides a ground to the instrument cluster and the charging system indicator illuminates. When the generator builds up enough voltage to energize the voltage regulator, voltage is applied to the PCM. The PCM upon receipt of the generator charging voltage, removes the ground to the instrument cluster and turns off the charging system indicator.

Brake Warning Indicator
The red brake warning light (BRAKE) is used to indicate a low fluid level, brake concern, a parking brake that is not fully released, or an anti-lock brake system (ABS) fault. The brake fluid level switch is located in the brake fluid reservoir.

ABS Warning Indicator
The yellow brake warning indicator is used to indicate a concern or deactivation of the ABS. It illuminates when triggered by the ABS control module and stays illuminated as long as the concern remains in the system.

Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) Indicator
The malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) indicator is illuminated when a diagnostic trouble code (DTC) is sensed in the closed loop by the powertrain control module (PCM). The instrument cluster receives engine data from the PCM via the SCP network.

Air Bag Warning Indicator
The instrument cluster is hardwired to the restraint control module. If an air bag system DTC is detected, the restraint control module provides a ground path to the instrument cluster and the air bag indicator is illuminated.

Safety Belt Warning Indicator
The safety belt warning indicator is powered through the instrument cluster and is grounded through the safety belt retractor switch. When the safety belt is extended, indicating a buckled condition, the switch will open to the instrument cluster and the safety belt indicator is extinguished. When the safety belt is retracted, indicating an unbuckled condition, the switch closes and provides a ground to the instrument cluster and the safety belt indicator is illuminated.

Low Fuel Warning Indicator
The low fuel warning indicator is controlled by the instrument cluster microprocessor and illuminates when the fuel level drops below approximately one-sixteenth of a tank or 4-8L (1-2 gal) .
Door Ajar Indicator
On vehicles that are equipped with remote keyless entry, the door ajar switches provide a ground signal to the body security module which subsequently provides a ground signal to the instrument cluster via the UBP network and illuminates the door ajar indicator. On vehicles not equipped with remote keyless entry, the door ajar switches are hardwired to the instrument cluster and provide the ground to illuminate the door ajar indicator.

High Beam Indicator
The instrument cluster provides a ground for the high beam indicator. The multifunction switch provides a switched power source to the instrument cluster to illuminate the high beam indicator when in the high beam position. When the high beams are activated, the multifunction switch sends a power signal to the instrument cluster and illuminates the high beam indicator.

Speed Control Indicator
The instrument cluster provides power to the speed control indicator. On gasoline vehicles, the speed control indicator is controlled by the speed control module. When the speed control is engaged, the speed control module provides the instrument cluster with a ground signal and illuminates the speed control indicator. On diesel vehicles, the speed control indicator is controlled by the PCM. When the speed control is engaged, the PCM provides a ground to the instrument cluster and illuminates the speed control indicator.

Water in Fuel Indicator (Diesel only)
The water in fuel signal is transmitted to the instrument cluster via the SCP network from the powertrain control module (PCM). The water in fuel indicator will illuminate when 100 cc (0.2 pints) of water has accumulated in the fuel filter/water separator.

Wait to Start Indicator (Diesel only)
The wait to start signal is transmitted to the instrument cluster via the SCP network from the PCM. The wait to start indicator will illuminate when the ignition switch is in the ON position with the engine OFF indicating that the glow plugs are heating.

Theft Indicator
The instrument cluster provides the THEFT indicator with power. The theft indicator is hardwired to the PATS module and will flash when the PATS system is activated.

Check Air Filter Indicator
The check air filter indicator is hardwired to the air filter indicator switch (located in the air filter housing) and monitors the air flow through the air cleaner. The air filter indicator is powered by the instrument cluster and when air flow is low, the air filter indicator switch provides a ground to the instrument cluster illuminating the check air filter indicator.

Check Gauge Warning Indicator
The check gauge warning indicator will illuminate when any of the three following conditions exist:
if the engine oil pressure drops below approximately 42 kPa (6 psi) .
if the engine temperature exceeds approximately 121°C (250°F) .
if the transmission temperature (automatic transmission only) reaches approximately 135°C (275°F) .
Check Fuel Cap Indicator
The check fuel cap indicator is used to indicate significant leaks in the fuel tank evaporative system due to a loose fuel cap. Fuel tank pressure is monitored by the PCM and once a leak is detected, the PCM signals a fault to the instrument cluster via the SCP network. Once the PCM has detected a loose fuel cap and the check fuel cap indicator is illuminated, the check fuel cap indicator will remain illuminated until the fuel cap is secured and the vehicle has been running for several minutes or the ignition has been cycled once.

4x4 HIGH/LOW RANGE Indicators
The 4x4 high and LOW RANGE indicators are both hardwired to the instrument cluster from the 4x4 control module when equipped with electronic shift, or from the 4x4 control switch when equipped with manual shift. The instrument cluster provides the 4x4 indicators with power and the 4x4 control module, or 4x4 switch, provide the ground depending on whether 4x4 high or low is selected.

CHECK GAGES Warning Indicator
The CHECK GAGES warning indicator monitors the coolant temperature and the engine oil pressure. The indicator will illuminate if the SCP coolant temperature data is missing or invalid, if the engine temperature reaches 121°C (249.8°F) or higher, or if the engine oil pressure is low.

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i dont know why you would want to use a 03 6.0 cluster in your 03 7.3, as they are the same style cluster.


unless you have a 2001 and down?
 

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i dont know why you would want to use a 03 6.0 cluster in your 03 7.3, as they are the same style cluster.


unless you have a 2001 and down?

Yeah I got a 1999.5 7.3 and the cluster is hideous LOL so a 02 CAN PCM can operate a 03 6.0 cluster then? can a 1999.5 harness plug in to the 02 CAN PCM?
 

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So this is ugly...

f250-interior.jpg


But this is not???

50007342.jpg


Curious WTF is the major differance?

Good lord some people make a mountian out of a mole hill.
 

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So this is ugly...

f250-interior.jpg


But this is not???

50007342.jpg


Curious WTF is the major differance?

Good lord some people make a mountian out of a mole hill.

Yeah Joe I like the 02-03 clusters because the gauges a spread out (2 on each side) and IDK seem better and nicer to me But hey if I could install a 08 or 11-13 cluster I would because those the nicest cluster out of all. But hey Joe that's my opinion LOL.
 

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Good god....I am curious if you are even serious or just wasting time to see if anybody has knowledge of the crap you come up with.

My first ? is have you ever replaced cabs, repaired wiring, etc.. etc... to even be asking about the swap. The info Kyle provided is what you would need to use an 03-04 6.0 cluster with a 02-03 7.3 PCM.


If you want the "newer" style cluster you need an ENTIRE 02-03 7.3 wiring harness. Not just dash. EVERY bit of wiring in the 02 up trucks changed. Harness behind the dash, firewall, engine harness, cab harness...etc...Also they are completely different harness's between auto and manual.

You technically probably could interface the 99 harness with the 02-04 CAN system if you had every schematic, pinout, and 100ssss of hours to make them work together.

IMO, if you are serious do an 05 dash and 02-03 7.3 donor truck for the wiring you need and have fun.


If I have time tmrw I will post some pics of the fun you would be in for. Ohh.. and if its a 99-01 truck you need to piece in a part of the 02 firewall to really make it "right".
 
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