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Old 05-23-2011, 06:33 PM
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Default How to make 600 - 700 RWHP - 6.0L

This thread is for sponsors/vendors (or users) to post a list of their dyno/race proven combination of parts and tunes to reach a good reliable 600 - 700 rwhp - 6.0L build.

The intent is giving users insight of what they need to buy and do to reach their RWHP goals.

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Made 544 with stock fuel system 190 75s and Vgt ssx. More to it with fuel system and new tunes. Will have updated #s in the next few weeks with new setup.
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Sorry if I sound ignorant, but what is "190 75s and Vgt ssx"?
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190 cc injectors with 75% nozzles. VGT SSX is a turbo from Elite Diesel.
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544 how is.that.between 600-700 hp?
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62/70 190's and nos probably over 600hp.

64mm Non-vgt with a shot of nos get you over 600hp with 190's or 205's

66mm Non-vgt 190's+ on fuel side get you over 600hp as well, depend how much you spray

Large VGT's 68mm with 205's and bigger.

Anything after above start thinking about twin setups. Higher numbers on fuel only easier to break 600 as well.
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So, could a 64/71 .70 with 205cc 75% nozzle get to 600hp or close to it with live tuning?
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So, could a 64/71 .70 with 205cc 75% nozzle get to 600hp or close to it with live tuning?
i only did 501hp with a 64/71/70 and 190/75% injectors. Eric at ID does my tuning...he told me if my 190's had 100% nozzles i'd be close to 550hp. 205's with 100% nozzles will make over 600hp with that charger..so 75% nozzles should also get there, but not sure why you'd want 75% nozzles and not 100% ones with those 205's
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Do you think 75% nozzle would need to much pw to empty? I just figured get a little better street manners out of them with 75% over 100%. I'm still indecisive untill i get to see more from younger1993's build with 210 100's and a 64/71 .70

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Do you think 75% nozzle would need to much pw to empty? I just figured get a little better street manners out of them with 75% over 100%. I'm still indecisive untill i get to see more from younger1993's build with 210 100's and a 64/71 .70
I made 605up with 225/100 and a 64/71.70 on spray. But I blew a hole in the boot coming right off the turbo so I was only able to make 27psi of boost. I normally run about 45psi
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I did 829 with 190's an II 62/80 and spray back in early 08...
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I did 829 with 190's an II 62/80 and spray back in early 08...
Must have been a hell of alot of spray!
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Must have been a hell of alot of spray!
He must've been either emptying the bottle into the intake or thats a torque number.
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I did 829 with 190's an II 62/80 and spray back in early 08...
Your truck was a freak. Lol
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Should be alot better now with my new setup! Can't wait....
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Should be alot better now with my new setup! Can't wait....
What are you running know.
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I made 668hp yesterday on the dyno with Stock trans, stock turbo, stock fuel system, and 225/100's.
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What are you running know.
Bigger Injectors,mpd exhaust manifolds,and a 66 turbo..
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I made 668hp yesterday on the dyno with Stock trans, stock turbo, stock fuel system, and 225/100's.
You'd be surprised how much the stock parts hold..I made 755 on a stock tranny,stock 03 turbo, and a set of 190cc and spray...
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I know, I have had this setup for a year already and its still holding.... I wish we could turn the sticks all the way up but it would probably grenade the trans and turbo instantly and plus i would drop fuel pressure bc of the stock fuel pump.
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what about 210/100's and a 64/71/.70? should be dyno'ing the setup in a couple weeks
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what about 210/100's and a 64/71/.70? should be dyno'ing the setup in a couple weeks
that setup will definitly get over 600hp. Eric has already told me that he's had some trucks on his dyno with 205/100's and a 64/71/70 make over 600hp.
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Im running 205's/100's Bulseye 366 66/71 .70
should be over 600 (if the tires an lift dont hold it all back)....thats the goal with it anyway
soon as the truck is back together il be getting some dyno numbers
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that setup will definitly get over 600hp. Eric has already told me that he's had some trucks on his dyno with 205/100's and a 64/71/70 make over 600hp.
yeah a few have, which means now he has the tuning base files to get that far without live tuning
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I made 668hp yesterday on the dyno with Stock trans, stock turbo, stock fuel system, and 225/100's.
Lol I'm sure your injectors are loving life, impressive none the less. How much spray?


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yeah a few have, which means now he has the tuning base files to get that far without live tuning
While this might be true, I have never had any of Erica tunes runny anywhere near as well as Matt's or Chris's. Both the power and shifting was off after multiple emails with eric
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id be pleased with anything 25hp or closer to 600 on fuel......for awhile that is
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While this might be true, I have never had any of Erica tunes runny anywhere near as well as Matt's or Chris's. Both the power and shifting was off after multiple emails with eric
I have bad luck with trans tuning, neither of these three have been able to make it not flare on the direct shift with the gogo solenoid and suncoast kit. Doug at GoGo has been the only one to send me a tune with trans file that has worked so far. But I will agree with you, and dont get me wrong its all personal preference, but I love the way chris' tunes drive the best. They dont require somuch pedal to get so far, they run hard with the least amount of smoke, plus they're fast as ****. Just wish I had the ability to get chris or matt to live tune my truck, they're too far from me... But lets face it clearly file tuning over the internet isn't working so well for me.

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i agree Chris's tunes kicked a$$ when i used to run them. just wish i could get one back lol
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Lol I'm sure your injectors are loving life, impressive none the less. How much spray?


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Stonepusher how many miles do you have on your setup?
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Stonepusher how many miles do you have on your setup?
I have roughly 20k miles on my setup
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finally able to dyno yesterday-

66/71 205's 100's and airdog

i ran 570 and 1021tq with out spray- Was having a slight issue with the blow off valve, so i was only getting about 38-40psi boost.

Next step is to tweak the BOV, and get the FICM programmed i believe these two factors should get me to my 600 goal.....That was also with the 38's n 24s... I refuse to put small tires on the truck just to get a hp level...
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i'm suprised you don't have a tuned FICM yet Mark!
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570 on 38s lol and no double foot to spool it, u r dere buddy
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i'm suprised you don't have a tuned FICM yet Mark!
Im reaching that point in my list of "To Do", just not sure where to go for the tune, and still need to educate myself on the 48v vs the 58vs. As of now im thinking the PHP set up looks solid, and thinking about the set up that allows me to keep the programmer so i can change the tunes on it.


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570 on 38s lol and no double foot to spool it, u r dere buddy
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I talked to eric about the difference between the 48v vs the 58v a little while back and he said the 58v will definitly help and be of benefit. So i plan on upgrading my spare to 58v.
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I got on the dyno this weekend at the TS show and was kinda dissappointed I only put down 410 with 225/100's and a 66/77/.90 with erics X race tune.
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The dyno was wayyyy low. 850 HP trucks were only putting down 500 HP. Definitely not an accurate number
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Rudys truck only dynoed 659 on spray....
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talked to a guy on here with 205's and a 66 and he did 668 on fuel (with some water) and 8XX with a .092 jet. it was a mustang dyno but still should be mid 600's. contemplating that setup later this summer.....
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talked to a guy on here with 205's and a 66 and he did 668 on fuel (with some water) and 8XX with a .092 jet. it was a mustang dyno but still should be mid 600's. contemplating that setup later this summer.....
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Oh I know Matt that's one of my customers. He did not tell me he made it to the dyno.
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i talked to him on the nation....only difference in his set up and mine is the housing size...and lift& tire size....its a real strong set up!
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I'm seriously looking into a single 66 with manifolds and divided uppipes. If it's still responsive on the street it's looking like a real viable option instead of compounds! stoked!
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I'm seriously looking into a single 66 with manifolds and divided uppipes. If it's still responsive on the street it's looking like a real viable option instead of compounds! stoked!
Are you looking to keep the 190s too or bump em up a little??
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I'm seriously looking into a single 66 with manifolds and divided uppipes. If it's still responsive on the street it's looking like a real viable option instead of compounds! stoked!
Ill let you know how a 66/73/91 with Matts (aka yours) divided up pipes and 205/150's drives on the street and towing when I get it together.
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Are you looking to keep the 190s too or bump em up a little??
they actually flow 200 but I'd like to get them punched out some more.

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that's pretty much exactly what I would end up running too (maybe a 71 turbine). toss up between that, trying vgt compounds, or non vgt compounds.
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they actually flow 200 but I'd like to get them punched out some more.



that's pretty much exactly what I would end up running too (maybe a 71 turbine). toss up between that, trying vgt compounds, or non vgt compounds.
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the new clipped 73 wheel spools like the 71 but flows more like a 74. Go big r go home!
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the new clipped 73 wheel spools like the 71 but flows more like a 74. Go big r go home!
thats why i was wondering why the 71?
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why a 71?
spoolup. might not need a smaller turbine with divided uppipes though...
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i think mine spools pretty dam quick for what it is, so with uppipes you would prolly be very happy with spool time
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smaller the turbine, the more back pressure. I think the divided up pipes will be a huge upgrade. For what you do, I think it will be just fine.
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i think mine spools pretty dam quick for what it is, so with uppipes you would prolly be very happy with spool time
at what RPM do you start making boost
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and i thought mine spooling at 1600-1700 was too high. I don't know if i could drive with a turbo that didn't make boost at that high of an RPM.
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why do you need boost at such a low rpm? i think mine would be less streetable if i was making boost that low. prolly would be WAY too touchy for me. mine makes plenty of power to drive around without boost, bc once it lites wither its 1/4 throttle or full throttle yor moving QUICK!
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greg (pizza pig) is going to have a set of matt's divided uppipes with his 66. i'm curious to see where it starts making boost. that's going to be a big factor in what direction i end up going. i'd likely get a smaller turbine and headers so hopefully that would help too
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BUT if i had a towing truck i would say different,if i was towing i wouldnt have these injectors so prolly wouldnt be so touchy
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i bet he spools thats baby at 1700 all day!
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that would be perfect since my 68 lights at about 1600-1700 now...
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ported intake would drop those numbers also
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deffenitly go with the 66/73/.91 yull be happy!!
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they actually flow 200 but I'd like to get them punched out some more.
Do you have the spill ports plugged on those Lance?
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Do you have the spill ports plugged on those Lance?
are those the things right next to the flux capacitor?




i have no clue man...cass just told me that's what they actually ended up flowing haha.
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I dont believe cass plugs the spill ports on his injectors. I could be wrong though.
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i have no clue man...cass just told me that's what they actually ended up flowing haha.
I got ya man. That's cool. I was just curious.
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Well I guess I will post my setup. Just know that it HAS NOT been track verified. Bill's dyno has been track verified with his truck several times and the conditions under which he operates his dyno is VERY controlled with repeatable results, but my truck has not seen a track and probably wont for a little while until I can get a built tranny so take this FWIW.

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Well I guess I will post my setup. Just know that it HAS NOT been track verified. Bill's dyno has been track verified with his truck several times and the conditions under which he operates his dyno is VERY controlled with repeatable results, but my truck has not seen a track and probably wont for a little while until I can get a built tranny so take this FWIW.

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he does not
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Well I guess I will post my setup. Just know that it HAS NOT been track verified. Bill's dyno has been track verified with his truck several times and the conditions under which he operates his dyno is VERY controlled with repeatable results, but my truck has not seen a track and probably wont for a little while until I can get a built tranny so take this FWIW.

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Any difference with the ficm tune on the 58v? Compared to stock how is spool up, you have stock intake manifold no porting and stock manifolds?
I got the FICM tune when I had stock injectors and a stock turbo and I noticed improved throttle response and slightly more low end power. I never ran the truck with the stock FICM tune and 190/100 injectors. However, I did run it with PHP's Hercules FICM tune and didn't really notice anything more than IDP's mild FICM tune was giving me so I went back to it as the EGTs were way more controllable with it as opposed to the Hercules.

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I flashed my ficm back to stock because my truck smokes way too much with any of the PHP tunes. But I also have 205cc injectors.
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Yea I'm pretty much convinced that FICM tuning isnt really needed with larger injectors as they (for the most part) flow more fuel than available air to clean them.
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i will be upping the fuel a bit over the next few months. hoping for 700+ on fuel. i might be talked into some spray too I'd like to get it on a dyno at an event then take it straight from the sled to the track.
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i will be upping the fuel a bit over the next few months. hoping for 700+ on fuel. i might be talked into some spray too I'd like to get it on a dyno at an event then take it straight from the sled to the track.
How much is a bit?
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I'm hoping 215/100's would do it.
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I think if you can get 215cc's worth of fuel into the cylinders in the upper rpm range, you should make 700hp. The S480 flows enough air for it and based on what I have calculated for fuel requirements, that is just over the theoretical size needed to make it so you should be just fine.
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Just make sure you can maintain ICP. Or else your dreams will be gone until you get more oil lol
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yeah I talked to Jared about that. I want as much fuel as I can get on stock oil...at least for now. we thought 215 would be about what I could support with the stock hpop....as long as it's healthy. i actually just programmed my scangauge a bit ago to read voltage so we'll see.
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Are 100% nozzles going to be enough to get all the fuel you need for 700 in there at high rpm? Like Nate said, if you have enough nozzle to dump all that fuel, you should make it. i guess a guy could step up to some 150% fire hose nozzles but I doubt the stock HPOP would like that.
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I hope your luck is better than mine, im only getting 3.2 volts at WOT with 190s..
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i guess a guy could step up to some 150% fire hose nozzles but I doubt the stock HPOP would like that.
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I hope your luck is better than mine, im only getting 2.7 volts at WOT with 190s..
i got 3.88 volts at about 70% throttle a bit ago. I'll test WOT tomorrow.
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assuming your PCM isn't telling you some tall tales about your ICP...
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Mine is 3.2v wot sorry my memory is not so good.. lol
I think it is supposed to be around 4.5v at wot??
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assuming your PCM isn't telling you some tall tales about your ICP...
you trying to jinx me or something?

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Damn java, you're on my boat!! It needs to be 4.65-4.7v


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you trying to jinx me or something?



Nah, I just found out mine's a lying little b!tch, but hopefully yours is better
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Lance, just don't hang around Colton, he'll give you the bad juju!
i've already got plenty of bad juju from helping matt some with the ranger.

oh and just got 4.15 volts then BOOM.
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Blue waffle u should be close to 700 On fuel as it stands!
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mine will hit 4.7v when stock, but will only hit 2.3v when tuned. Eric told me this is normal when tuned.
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i just got off the phone with Matt (robinson) and he said voltage is voltage regardless if it's tuned or not. my scangauge II is reading at least 4.15 volts so far.


He also said that going from 190/100 to 215/100 would not really net much power gain at all. The best thing I could do is jump to 150 nozzles.....but I'm fairly certain the stock pump wouldn't like that
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i just got off the phone with Matt (robinson) and he said voltage is voltage regardless if it's tuned or not. my scangauge II is reading at least 4.15 volts so far.


He also said that going from 190/100 to 215/100 would not really net much power gain at all. The best thing I could do is jump to 150 nozzles.....but I'm fairly certain the stock pump wouldn't like that
IDK, according to Eric at ID....it's not. He told me that on some trucks ICP voltage can act just like ICP(HPOP) pressure where pressure wont read right when tuned and when getting the readings from the OBDII port. I asked eric about this and he said voltage reading can act the same way as the psi reading when tuned. But not all trucks will experience this. He said the only way to verify HPOP issue is to run truck under stock tuning.
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What eric is saying doesnt even make sense, theres no way voltage can fluctuate there would have to be some interuption to the signal for that to happen... How would you know if you were losing hpop with a race tune if you cant test it on that tune besides using a mechanical gauge?

Ive seen 04 trucks read voltage perfectly fine when tune.
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if you put the truck back to stock and check voltage, wouldn't it read differently than when tuned anyways? fuel/oil demands are different tuned vs stock. well i guess since I'm seeing 4+ volts, it's reading accurately??
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What eric is saying doesnt even make sense, theres no way voltage can fluctuate there would have to be some interuption to the signal for that to happen... How would you know if you were losing hpop with a race tune if you cant test it on that tune besides using a mechanical gauge?

Ive seen 04 trucks read voltage perfectly fine when tune.
Well he's the one that does the tuning Greg. I've asked him countless times about this and keep getting the same answer. You can ask him yourself if you want. i've seen '05 and '06 trucks do the same as mine with no issues with the HPOP or sensor.
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Here's one email i sent eric...
Hey Eric, got a question for ya about ICP voltage and HPOP pressure. When tuned my truck wont see anything higher than like 1550psi and 2.3v. However when the truck is cold it will read alot higher than that within the first couple of miles till the oil warms up then it drops to the values that i just mentioned. Now, when stock tuned....it'll read alot higher like it should. I thought i remember you mentioning that some trucks will experience HPOP PSI being low when tuned...right? And i also thought that you mentioned that the same thing true for ICP voltage..is that correct also? I'm getting the HPOP PSI reading right from the ICP sensor...not the OBDII port. I used Strictly Diesel's ICP pigtail to tap into the sensorhttp://www.strictlydiesel.com/p-2657-high-pressure-oil-gauge-install-pigtail.aspx However i am getting the ICP voltage from the OBDII with my edge insight CS. My trucks seems to run good, but just really want to touch base and see if voltage readings being low through the OBDII port when tuned is normal along with HPOP PSI reading being low when tuned. My ICP sensor is new....Just trying to rule out any HPOP issues

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That seems about right. Tuned, the ICP function is rescaled and the PCM doesn't read it correctly. You troubleshoot injection pressure issues on the stock tune. I use the Dipricol HPOP gauge and it reads correctly tapped in my pigtail. A few customers have installed the Autometer gauge and it still reads low, not sure which wire they use.

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will voltage act the same as psi tho? When tuned i'm only getting 2.3v max. Today i turned truck back to stock and i can hit 4.7v easily. Just not sure if reading voltage through the OBDII port is suppose to read low like that when tuned. I've heard that voltage should never change when tuned and that only the PSI reading could read incorrectly.

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Yeap, works the same way.
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Yes Eric and some other tuners tune off the icp sensor, which reads in voltage, which will show a false icp voltage reading while running his tunes except on a mechanical gauge, essientially fooling the hpop/icp to make max volume/psi and hold it. Great way to make power
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What eric is saying doesnt even make sense, theres no way voltage can fluctuate there would have to be some interuption to the signal for that to happen... How would you know if you were losing hpop with a race tune if you cant test it on that tune besides using a mechanical gauge?

Ive seen 04 trucks read voltage perfectly fine when tune.
I'm with you on this one. I don't see how the tuner can control the voltage. If he does that, why do we even have one while tuned? I mean if you think about it it's doing nothing if that's the case. Now you can't diagnose with a tune on the truck. Seems messed up
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Yes Eric and some other tuners tune off the icp sensor, which reads in voltage, which will show a false icp voltage reading while running his tunes except on a mechanical gauge, essientially fooling the hpop/icp to make max volume/psi and hold it. Great way to make power
Everyone tunes off the icp sensor, this is nothing new, my truck reads ICP just fine with Erics tuning, Chris and Matt's tunes, as well as Tony's. There is no reason why the voltage should be reading the way it is on some trucks. The only reason I can think is the fact that the 03-early 04 trucks use a difference PCM than the 04.5+. Im sending this to Matt R
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Just make sure you can maintain ICP. Or else your dreams will be gone until you get more oil lol
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yeah I talked to Jared about that. I want as much fuel as I can get on stock oil...at least for now. we thought 215 would be about what I could support with the stock hpop....as long as it's healthy. i actually just programmed my scangauge a bit ago to read voltage so we'll see.

Chris at TSD said they had some good luck running 225 hybrids with a stock hpop.

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Everyone tunes off the icp sensor, this is nothing new, my truck reads ICP just fine with Erics tuning, Chris and Matt's tunes, as well as Tony's. There is no reason why the voltage should be reading the way it is on some trucks. The only reason I can think is the fact that the 03-early 04 trucks use a difference PCM than the 04.5+. Im sending this to Matt R
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I can't speak for Eric but with my SRL series tunes I don't screw with the ICP Sensor Voltage as read by the compuer and spit out of the OBDII port. on the pressure side of things you should see no more than 2100 psi or 14.5 MPA to be in the sweet spot.
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I haven't ran Matt's tune in a couple months, but IIRC it didn't mess with my trucks ICP voltage. The tune from Eric that I currently am running does however, like Chris says. Just my experience.
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Strokin6L do you have anyone else's race tune you can try out and see? Might be worth picking up one off Matt's to test and find out what you see.
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i have Vivian's Looney wild it does the same.
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I haven't ran Matt's tune in a couple months, but IIRC it didn't mess with my trucks ICP voltage. The tune from Eric that I currently am running does however, like Chris says. Just my experience.
I just got the Extreme X from Eric a few weeks ago and it reads 4.7v @ WOT on my truck. All my tunes read voltage without issue on my truck, BUT, I have been in trucks that read low when tuned. Eric also told me the same thing he told Chris (Strokin6l). I had asked him about a members truck.

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My extreme x reads voltage correctly too...
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I just got the Extreme X from Eric a few weeks ago and it reads 4.7v @ WOT on my truck. All my tunes read voltage without issue on my truck, BUT, I have been in trucks that read low when tuned. Eric also told me the same thing he told Chris (Strokin6l). I had asked him about a members truck.

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You guys both have 05 and newer truck. Chris and I have 03-04 trucks. I wonder if that makes a difference
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what tunes are you guys running...i am on erics tunes right now, but looking to give some others a try...and see if i can get some more power from my set up
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i was an ********** homer forever. matt has tuned my truck really well with my compounds. I'll be driving down to him sometime in the next month or so so he can tweak on it some more.
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I'm looking for at 725 tomorrow at tsd's dyno day......I will let y'all know what happens.
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I'm looking for at 725 tomorrow at tsd's dyno day......I will let y'all know what happens.
awesome...you still running the 225's? Also did you end up getting a 66mm?
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Still running 225's, i am running a vgt-ss at the moment i got a great deal on it and couldnt pass it up. Ended up doing 600 on fuel and 671 on spray, bottle pressure wasnt the greatest and im not sure how much spray was actually in it. i was hoping for 715 but oh well. A few weeks ago it did 704 on spray....FP dropped big time so I believe it's time for a fuel system and built trans.
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stock oil? you reader icp at all?
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Stock oil, icp hold 3900-4k
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I'm wanna build a fuel system and see what these sticks can really do.
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you lucky bastage....fuel pulled at wot or pushing all its got?
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It's got quite a bit of fuel pulled out of it, can't do much more as my Fp is now dropping big time. It dropped to 15psi yesterday on the dyno
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Stonepusher I got your fuel system ready
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What are you gonna do with your 190/100's lance?
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What are you gonna do with your 190/100's lance?
keeping them...just getting them punched out eventually
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From the videos truck looks like it runs pretty good with the 190's. Bigger sticks and built trans should really make it nasty
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yeah it runs really well. none of those videos were at WOT either. planning on having the trans in on Friday. im anxious to get it to a track to see what it does with the 190's. i think it might put up a respectable time.
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can you make 600hp with 190s? with what i have done to my truck what else do i need to join you guys in the 600 club?
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can you make 600hp with 190s? with what i have done to my truck what else do i need to join you guys in the 600 club?
190s and compounds should put you there on fuel. with whats in your sig you will also need a fuel system and a trans.
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the ICP voltage should be reading correct however the icp actual pid will read very low. when testing for ICP it is a good idea to always log the voltage pid and not the actual.
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the ICP voltage should be reading correct however the icp actual pid will read very low. when testing for ICP it is a good idea to always log the voltage pid and not the actual.

What is pid? Hadn't heard that term before.

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New power numbers........same setup as before new tune
592&1065 fuel
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nice! stock internals?
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Nice numbers I bet that is a fun set up in a regular cab.
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Nice numbers I bet that is a fun set up in a regular cab.
It's a freakin blast! I love it, hopefully a bigger feed line will net us a bigger gain on the second stage, the feed line I am running we feel was unable to keep up with that second stage.
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It's a freakin blast! I love it, hopefully a bigger feed line will net us a bigger gain on the second stage, the feed line I am running we feel was unable to keep up with that second stage.
how big is the one your using now? may be time for dual bottles
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Did you get those track times?
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Did you get those track times?
Yes sir, sorry I forgot to post them here I posted them in another thread.
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Don't have a bottle pressure gauge so not sure what my bottle pressure was at but I guess they sat it in cold water to fill it at the track bc when I picked it up it was really cold and wet, maybe this is normal practice idk never really paid any attention. The nitrous run was with one stage with the .125 jet. Just doesn't seem like this ole girl wants to hit the 11's, time for some more tweaking before Ennis.
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I Have a question about the setup that I am running I have a 2005 F 250 I'm running 205/100 injectors with a St366/74/91 non vgt turbo with a AirDog2 fuel pump Backed with a XDP sump ********** diesel 58V ficm built transmission built by Andy Warren zoodad mod bluespring mod 6.4 banjo bolts Jesse Warren tuning egr ******d head studded mpbr exhaust on 35s my ? what horsepower range Am I in? Next question on thinking about going with A different set up its 275/100 injectors with Jesse Warrens Dual HPOP and st472 turbo what horse power range would I be In with this setup?
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190s and compounds should put you there on fuel. with whats in your sig you will also need a fuel system and a trans.
What turbos would you guys suggest with 190? I don't know much about turbos. I know I want 600hp. Do you guys think towing would still be possible with a setup like this?


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A barder or RCD 68 VGT, I think some guys are running a MTW stage 3. Sticking with a VGT for towing would be better.
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So what exactly would I need to hit 600 on fuel? I've been thinking about 225/100's and compounds. Looking for a complete parts list, ie rods, pistons, etc.
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I hit 615 last night with barder 68 and 225/100, other than that just the basic mods. Sprayed the turbo to 864hp
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I hit 615 last night with barder 68 and 225/100, other than that just the basic mods. Sprayed the turbo to 864hp
Very nice. Did you ever dyno fuel only with the vgt-ss?
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So what exactly would I need to hit 600 on fuel? I've been thinking about 225/100's and compounds. Looking for a complete parts list, ie rods, pistons, etc.
You don't need aftermarket rods to make 600hp
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Very nice. Did you ever dyno fuel only with the vgt-ss?
Yea it did 585hp, gained 30hp fuel only and 40hp on nitrous with just a turbo swap, no tune change.
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We 'be had several guys dyno at 600+ on fuel with 190/100's and our MTW Stage 3.
Do they have track times to back up the 600+hp Dyno runs?
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Do they have track times to back up the 600+hp Dyno runs?
That's a negative ghost rider. You're one of few that hits the track and I thank you for that. Following your build pretty closely.

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Do they have track times to back up the 600+hp Dyno runs?
Supposedly, but havn't seen the slips or a video of the trucks running, so, unfortunately no. Thanks to you though, its great to see guys pushing the 6.0 and getting great results. I could care less who's parts you use, just make it fast and make it last!!!

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I've been kicking around the idea of 225/100's with a compound setup. Not really knowing squat about turbo's, what would be a good match to these sticks? I know I'm gonna need a trans, fuel system, and probably oil, what else am I missing?
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Thanks buddy! I love testing new things especially one that I think will help! I was trying to become a beta tester for diesel sites new hpop but I guess they don't want a real tester. I'm one of very few that has a 6.0 break 10's and the first on a single VGT! I appreciate all the support from y'all guys, gives me the drive to push it even more!
I love your build. I doubt the 5R would have got you in the 10's, the 4R was a great choice for the track. Probably cut 1/4 to 1/2 second off just with te direct shifting tran.
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I love your build. I doubt the 5R would have got you in the 10's, the 4R was a great choice for the track. Probably cut 1/4 to 1/2 second off just with te direct shifting tran.
Thanks man! I agree with you, don't think the 5r would have got me there.
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So I have sinister egr ****** 190cc over 150 custom mkm injectors with head studs push rods gaskets tuned ficm sct with inovation tunes built tranny upgraded fuel regulater resufeced head 4 inch mbrp exhaust intake got a up graded hpop and sinister coolent filter bullet proof oil cooler inter cooler. Shop told me mid 500s but some one on here told me berlet 68mm turbo would put me 600 said he wouldn't e suprised if I break 650 just wante to know your guys opinion ?


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^^ Yeah that was me, seeing the 68mm barder with 175/75's threw out 618, i think with the heavy fuel you have, and upgraded HPOP (though i'd like to know what company because i'd be interested as well) to hold that ICP along with a billet wheel I dont think its a far cry for another 30whp with what you have over the other guy, though every truck and every dyno is different, that'd be my guess.
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^^ Yeah that was me, seeing the 68mm barder with 175/75's threw out 618, i think with the heavy fuel you have, and upgraded HPOP (though i'd like to know what company because i'd be interested as well) to hold that ICP along with a billet wheel I dont think its a far cry for another 30whp with what you have over the other guy, though every truck and every dyno is different, that'd be my guess.
Think I am gonna try dual pumps, dieselsites hpop won't go into production until February or march and that's if beta testing goes good. I'm dropping ICP now, if I can maintain ICP with dual pumps then I think I could see upwards of high 600's to low 700's with my current sticks.
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Think I am gonna try dual pumps, dieselsites hpop won't go into production until February or march and that's if beta testing goes good. I'm dropping ICP now, if I can maintain ICP with dual pumps then I think I could see upwards of high 600's to low 700's with my current sticks.
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hahahah hybrids sure would be nice lol
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Think I am gonna try dual pumps, dieselsites hpop won't go into production until February or march and that's if beta testing goes good. I'm dropping ICP now, if I can maintain ICP with dual pumps then I think I could see upwards of high 600's to low 700's with my current sticks.
Really hoping testing goes well!! I want one bad! Lol


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This is my new setup. 205/150 s366. I'm hoping the hpop test go well I would like to throw one in to make sure I maintain proper icp. I'm looking at dropping down to a 100% nozzle to see if I can break 600hp on fuel only. Any thing else I should be looking at adding to ensure a 600hp on fuel only?


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i'll be spinning the rollers with my current setup and if it doesnt break 600, ill see if I can get a few more ponies to the ground with an mpd built trans and possibly a billet wheel....what ya think greg?
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This is my new setup. 205/150 s366. I'm hoping the hpop test go well I would like to throw one in to make sure I maintain proper icp. I'm looking at dropping down to a 100% nozzle to see if I can break 600hp on fuel only. Any thing else I should be looking at adding to ensure a 600hp on fuel only?


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are you running the 205/150 with the s366 right now? how does it run?

i have t4 uppipes/s366 and a billett s372 to try with 205/100's and a set of 150% nozzles. trying to figure out which combo to run.
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i'll be spinning the rollers with my current setup and if it doesnt break 600, ill see if I can get a few more ponies to the ground with an mpd built trans and possibly a billet wheel....what ya think greg?
billet wheel probably wont do much really. trans will help put the power down.
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are you running the 205/150 with the s366 right now? how does it run?

i have t4 uppipes/s366 and a billett s372 to try with 205/100's and a set of 150% nozzles. trying to figure out which combo to run.
The 150% nozzle isn't a good choice for dd. it's super smokey. The 366 is great took me a bit to get the proper tunning down. I'm actually looking to scale back to 100% nozzles eventually


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The 150% nozzle isn't a good choice for dd. it's super smokey. The 366 is great took me a bit to get the proper tunning down. I'm actually looking to scale back to 100% nozzles eventually


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