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Guys, this is for posting what you have ran and what kind of results you are seeing. Any info is good. Please keep the questions to a minimum if you can i would like this to be a one stop shop for people in the market. If you have a build thread or anything like that link it in the post so people can revert to get more info. If it gets out of control with questions like "how much boost" ect im going to lock it down..


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Direct swapped onto my 11 test vehicle, the truck picked up 2.1 hand calculated mpg, drives nicer, and picked up 32 horsepower with "competition" sct tuning. It definitely needs custom tuning to take full advantage of what is on tap
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Direct swapped onto my 11 test vehicle, the truck picked up 2.1 hand calculated mpg, drives nicer, and picked up 32 horsepower with "competition" sct tuning. It definitely needs custom tuning to take full advantage of what is on tap
What turbo set up was that with?
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What turbo set up was that with?
Stock 15 charger on my 11, thats it. No cutting out the ring, no billet wheel. Stock components swap only. After I get the tuning adjusted how I'd like next week why dont you meet me for lunch one day and we'll take it for a spin

PS. In a non douchey manor, this charger made 35 PSI on the dyno, dont hate dustin! More boosht!
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Im ok with referencing how much boost the power numbers were made at but i dont want a bunch of garbage in this thread.
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I am running the Maryland Performance Diesel S363 Kit w/H&S Mini Maxx on Performance averaging between 16 and 17 MPG around town and anywhere from 20 to as much as 24 MPG on the highway it just depends on the amount of Hills.
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540 hp, 160 more than it dynoed stock. *** still intact, running a StreetMax turbo, no-limit cai and *** on tunes.

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Local shops compound build, S363/S475
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Here's a Video of the HTT365FMW running 1440pw. Give you a idea of the 60 to 90 mph run and how quick you can get there. I see some videos posted and they seems to me they struggle. This does not. Stock 20" wheels with 3:55 Gears
Boost jumps up to 44lbs pretty quick and max EBP was 51. Just to give you a idea of where this Turbo is at. D


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Here's 2015 stock fuel tuned with a 64mm StreetMax. Don't have a 60-90 pull but I'll try and get one.
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Here's another Video again running 1440pw 45 to 90 mph. I Could run a lot more fuel but point being its only 100pw over Box H&S Tune.

Going to be switching Turbo's soon. Having some good discussion on new possibilities with a couple of Turbo builders. Keep you posted. D


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Here's another Video again running 1440pw 45 to 90 mph. I Could run a lot more fuel but point being its only 100pw over Box H&S Tune.

Going to be switching Turbo's soon. Having some good discussion on new possibilities with a couple of Turbo builders. Keep you posted. D


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Damn! What exact kit are you running again?
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MPD Manifolds with HTT Pedestal with the HTT364.5/70/.91 Turbo and a mixed bag of parts from there on out.


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Morgan I would love to see a 10psi 4hi launch with that 64m street Max mabey a 0-100??
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I'll see what I can do. 5th gear is toast so 0-100 isn't gonna happen anymore.
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ouch, you already lost 5th gear on the '15?

I'm assuming the truck has had the snot beat out of it lately testing all the latest tuning and parts, upgraded converter still doing its job?
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I'm assuming the truck has had the snot beat out of it lately testing all the latest tuning and parts, upgraded converter still doing its job?

Meh, it lasted 14k. It owes me nothing. Had lots of different tuners tuning to boot. My reg cab only made it 1000 miles before the trans was junk.... They have all had the same upgraded converter for years now (circa 2012). To my knowledge the only real changes are valve body and solenoid pack configurations.

And I guess now my LPFP is taking a sh*t. I got the low fuel pressure light tonight and it's squalling to beat hell. Well score; 14* weather-1, 2015 superduty-0. These chincy LPFP's are junk. I've replaced several for customers and even one on my dads '13 for the same problem. Good thing they are cheap to buy....
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Morgan.. Stanadyne better be in that truck..
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Morgan.. Stanadyne better be in that truck..
F that, there is no way in hell it's gelling at +14*F. I'm gonna check it out tomorrow.
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Meh, it lasted 14k. It owes me nothing. Had lots of different tuners tuning to boot. My reg cab only made it 1000 miles before the trans was junk.... They have all had the same upgraded converter for years now (circa 2012). To my knowledge the only real changes are valve body and solenoid pack configurations.

And I guess now my LPFP is taking a sh*t. I got the low fuel pressure light tonight and it's squalling to beat hell. Well score; 14* weather-1, 2015 superduty-0. These chincy LPFP's are junk. I've replaced several for customers and even one on my dads '13 for the same problem. Good thing they are cheap to buy....
You can try changing the lower filter first, Ford reported that most of the LPFP noise concerns where actually from air ingestion around the lower filter o-ring.

I hate how low the bowl hangs and just dangles that useless plastic WIF sensor out the bottom to get snapped off by the lightest tap.

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15 retrofit 61mm compounded with an s475. Gear head tunes. 20mpg interstate 17.5 city. Dynoed at 605hp 63.2psi boost. Egts have never gone over 1000
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15 retrofit 61mm compounded with an s475. Gear head tunes. 20mpg interstate 17.5 city. Dynoed at 605hp 63.2psi boost. Egts have never gone over 1000
BP has
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If your talking about back pressure it it runs at around 40psi at WOT
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if thats the factory sensor thats not accurate you need to have a mechanical gauge or something in its place.
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if thats the factory sensor thats not accurate you need to have a mechanical gauge or something in its place.

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So let me get this straight. You were running 63psi of boost and 40psi of bp?
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What were you using to monitor ebp?

Without an aftermarket sensor your not reading the correct ebp. I assume your using the mini max pid for ebp. That is horribly inaccurate. Before you get too defensive you need to be correct with your readings.

And fwiw, you may be able to get close to 1:1 ebp, but the laws of physics always dictate that the energy required to push the turbine will always be higher than the output. There will always be efficiency loss, parasitic loss and heat loss using a finned wheel on shaft in a housing that allows energy to bypass (since it's not a 100% seal on the turbine wheel) to turn a finned wheel on the opposite side. Doesn't matter what turbos. That's just how it is.










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What were you using to monitor ebp?

Without an aftermarket sensor your not reading the correct ebp. I assume your using the mini max pid for ebp. That is horribly inaccurate. Before you get too defensive you need to be correct with your readings.

And fwiw, you may be able to get close to 1:1 ebp, but the laws of physics always dictate that the energy required to push the turbine will always be higher than the output. There will always be efficiency loss, parasitic loss and heat loss using a finned wheel on shaft in a housing that allows energy to bypass (since it's not a 100% seal on the turbine wheel) to turn a finned wheel on the opposite side. Doesn't matter what turbos. That's just how it is.










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Are you trying to say anything about physics? and the laws of physics?

Are you implying an electric car still leaves a carbon footprint somewhere?

... Are you trying to say that there is no such thing as a hybrid turbo?!!
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Are you trying to say anything about physics? and the laws of physics?



Are you implying an electric car still leaves a carbon footprint somewhere?



... Are you trying to say that there is no such thing as a hybrid turbo?!!

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Hey, the last line was discussion for the possibility of a hybrid turbo(s). Yes or no. Science says?

That's been a discussion since 2003 with no conclusion. Lol
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What were you using to monitor ebp?

Without an aftermarket sensor your not reading the correct ebp. I assume your using the mini max pid for ebp. That is horribly inaccurate. Before you get too defensive you need to be correct with your readings.

And fwiw, you may be able to get close to 1:1 ebp, but the laws of physics always dictate that the energy required to push the turbine will always be higher than the output. There will always be efficiency loss, parasitic loss and heat loss using a finned wheel on shaft in a housing that allows energy to bypass (since it's not a 100% seal on the turbine wheel) to turn a finned wheel on the opposite side. Doesn't matter what turbos. That's just how it is.

maybe he doesn't know that ebp stops at 40 on the factory sensor ? or is it 42 ? I had to use IDS to get my readings . but I had 62 psi at 47 lbs of boost with a non-vgt single. it was definitely WAY higher on this twin setup without a gate. probably sky high aka rod bending high . hence the VERY low power for all that boost.
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Hmm. That's interesting mike. The sensor is linear to voltage and psi reading being a simple 3 wire power/signal/ground unit. I would have thought the mini maxx with the correct PID equation could interpret that properly. Unless the baud rate is too slow for update.... which that I could see being the processor in the MM is pretty slow. According to the graph and chart for the sensor. It would or will be out of range around 85psi for ebp. Anything over 4.5v is a reference for out of range /short to high.

Agree 100% if you cannot exhaust what's before the turbine it will only build a "false" boost pressure. Probably why he had bent rods.

Did you "mike" have bent rods from the engine you just pulled out of yours?
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Hmm. That's interesting mike. The sensor is linear to voltage and psi reading being a simple 3 wire power/signal/ground unit. I would have thought the mini maxx with the correct PID equation could interpret that properly. Unless the baud rate is too slow for update.... which that I could see being the processor in the MM is pretty slow. According to the graph and chart for the sensor. It would or will be out of range around 85psi for ebp. Anything over 4.5v is a reference for out of range /short to high.

Agree 100% if you cannot exhaust what's before the turbine it will only build a "false" boost pressure. Probably why he had bent rods.

Did you "mike" have bent rods from the engine you just pulled out of yours?
hell no my motor is perfect. and no the minimaxx stops at 40-42.
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Hopefully this is the right place to ask this, I didn't want to start an entire new thread. It's turbo related. The Truck is a 2013, I'm eye balling the streetmax turbo, will my current downpipe work with a streetmax turbo, or does the kit come with a new downpipe?
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I don't know which way to go ???! Got a 2014 tuned, ******d , want a nice reliable turbo setup make a little more power , compounds , single 15' converted stock turbo ? Just looking for the best bang for the buck , h&s kit looks awesome , just can't justify or afford to spend that kind of money , just wondering what you guys are running and results and if your happy and would do it over what you would do different
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I don't know which way to go ???! Got a 2014 tuned, ******d , want a nice reliable turbo setup make a little more power , compounds , single 15' converted stock turbo ? Just looking for the best bang for the buck , h&s kit looks awesome , just can't justify or afford to spend that kind of money , just wondering what you guys are running and results and if your happy and would do it over what you would do different
15 will give you a good bump in power and the towmax will give you more and the streetmax will give you more given the dollar amount you want to spend. Now if you don't care about drivability then look at the non VGT options.

I went with the streetmax and it's really all I ever needed but I need a day to day truck with as low smoke as possible but tuning plays a big roll in that. Power is there and dependent on the tune I run milage is there to not to mention the whistle....
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do a streetmax from Morgan @ Midwest Diesel
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15 will give you a good bump in power and the towmax will give you more and the streetmax will give you more given the dollar amount you want to spend. Now if you don't care about drivability then look at the non VGT options.

I went with the streetmax and it's really all I ever needed but I need a day to day truck with as low smoke as possible but tuning plays a big roll in that. Power is there and dependent on the tune I run milage is there to not to mention the whistle....

Thank you for your input , I drive mine daily as well , drivabilty is a main concern ,
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15 will give you a good bump in power and the towmax will give you more and the streetmax will give you more given the dollar amount you want to spend. Now if you don't care about drivability then look at the non VGT options.

I went with the streetmax and it's really all I ever needed but I need a day to day truck with as low smoke as possible but tuning plays a big roll in that. Power is there and dependent on the tune I run milage is there to not to mention the whistle....

Thank you for your input , I drive mine daily as well , drivabilty is a main concern ,

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Thanks for your help , I will give you a call sometime to get some more information, thanks again
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Thanks for your help , I will give you a call sometime to get some more information, thanks again
That's cool but I'd rather have you call Morgan... Haha and I'm out!
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Another vote for the StreetMax... I have 12,000 miles on mine now, and I would NEVER go back.
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15 will give you a good bump in power and the towmax will give you more and the streetmax will give you more given the dollar amount you want to spend. Now if you don't care about drivability then look at the non VGT options.

I went with the streetmax and it's really all I ever needed but I need a day to day truck with as low smoke as possible but tuning plays a big roll in that. Power is there and dependent on the tune I run milage is there to not to mention the whistle....
I care very much about drivability and don't own and would never own a VGT charger.
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Just trying to help man. But i do believe I'm not alone, maybe you could give your .02 and help a guy out.
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I own the H&S kit and it seemed that was out of the question. I was just saying you can obtain great drivability with out going the VGT route.
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I agree with chattycathy I have great drivability out of my non vgt and still can tow heavy without any worries.
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Pstroke14 said the H&S kit was to expensive but yeah I guess there are a lot of options he can go with.
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I like my non-VGT. I tow my 12,000lb 5th wheel with absolutely zero issues.
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Why not a vgt turbo ? How does the truck act ,one vs the other ? Towing , general driving around town and whatnot
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You had to go there.... What do you want out of the truck?
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Ha ... Yeah.. daily driver , towing here and there , would be happy ( or so I think 500 to the wheels ) , like the response of the vgts , but would a non vgt in a good set up feel better ? Maybe I'm over thinking it , thanks guys
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Sounds like you got the just of it, a non vgt will out perform a vgt any day plus there are more reliable.
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Sounds like you got the just of it, a non vgt will out perform a vgt any day plus there are more reliable.
Both vgt and non-vgt have their benefits actually
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Did you read the earlier posts? Haha I know they have there advantages but we don't need to start arguments. To each their own on this one.
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Did you read the earlier posts? Haha I know they have there advantages but we don't need to start arguments. To each their own on this one.
Yes, I did read them which is why I felt the need to correct you. You posted misinformation earlier about how a non-vgt has poor drivability. The post that I corrected had you stating that a non-vgt will outperform a vgt which is only partially true. A vgt has much better low end power generally but at the expense of top end power. A non-vgt usually produces less low torque but excels up high. So you see, they outperform each other in different aspects. They both can be incredibly reliable as well. Nobody is trying to argue here. We're all just trying to make sure everyone knows the reality of the matter.
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Either one will work. It honestly depends on your goals. For the average daily driving work truck crowd will a non vgt work? Hell yeah. I've owned two of them on 6.7's towed 20k with the s366. But it is not an apples to apples comparison. Imo the VGTS are suited to the guy who doesn't need anything fancy and just wants a good streetable turbo without going over board. Drives almost exactly like stock except for much better power and lower egt's. Smoke free, exhaust braking, instant highway spool, carries great boost while cruising etc. There are non VGTS that will come close in all of those areas as well and better in other areas. There are also non VGTS that will suffer up top due to the small turbine that they were equipped with for hopes of good spooling. The vgt is a more versatile turbo over the range of spool vs power their range is broader vs a comparable sized non vgt. It is all in what you want in the end. I like both for given purposes. In the end the only way to go wrong is to go too big or too small regardless of vgt or non vgt. Turbo sizing and application are critical to making a happy customer.


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Well , can't wait to get that factory turbo off my 14 ', just don't trust it! You can defiantly feel where the stock turbo stops making power on a tuned truck , I'm gonna fine Midwest a call tomorrow ...hopefully and get my truck in the right path
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I just ordered a street max for my 2011 from midwest. .. very excited to see how it runs!
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Well , can't wait to get that factory turbo off my 14 ', just don't trust it! You can defiantly feel where the stock turbo stops making power on a tuned truck , I'm gonna fine Midwest a call tomorrow ...hopefully and get my truck in the right path
How did that call go?
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Ha ! It was a rain day for our guys had truck and equipment lined up outta the shop ��. Didn't have time to turn around today !, hopefully tomorrow's flows alittle easier
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My street max has exceeded my expectations even at 6000 feet of altitude. EGTS are great spool up is good and smoke control is very good. Plus it sounds good.
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Would the street max work well for hooking to a sled four or five times a year? Also would it be fine on a stock engine, or would I need head studs and other things? I have a 2011
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what kind of power is available with a streetmax r on a 2011 with stock fuel? I assume that is safe for stock internals. what about an s363?
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Not sure now which one of my threads it might be in but but I tested a BW 363 63/73/.91 Turbo with stock manifolds, Turbonetics Pedestal with Elite Diesel Cold side piping and Dyno 605HP with H&S Dual Fuel pump. Tadd from Elite did the Tuning. Really a good setup if you are looking for reliable setup and want to Tow a lot of weight and still play. The 68mm Turbine will spool fast and at 605HP you have nothing to worry about.


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prolly max around 540 . and yes very safe.
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Does anyone have a compound add a turbo kit for the 2015? Just curious, I think it would work good as a dd and tow rig.
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Does anyone have a compound add a turbo kit for the 2015? Just curious, I think it would work good as a dd and tow rig.
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Not necessarily. A loose turbine housing on the atmosphere and a good gate COULD keep things safe. But, there is always the chance
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I was wondering more for a larger spread of power, not necessarily huge numbers.
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I was wondering more for a larger spread of power, not necessarily huge numbers.

I did it! Use a gate and you'll be fine. I was pushing 78lbs of boost and bent some rods but it was super responsive. I loved the setup


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Industrial makes an add a turbo kit. Few guys have ran it and loved it. as long as it is set up right, gated right and tuned right it will be just fine.
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What are your power goals? Truck goals?

If you don't plan on much more than maybe adding a little fuel the StreetMaxR will get great.

If you plan on future larger injectors, dual pumps,built engine, 700+ hp etc... Go with the 6670R.


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[QUOTE=Morgan@Midwest Diesel & Auto;1317855]What are your power goals? Truck goals?

If you don't plan on much more than maybe adding a little fuel the StreetMaxR will get great.

If you plan on future larger injectors, dual pumps,built engine, 700+ hp etc... Go with the 6670R.


I'm not looking for a drag truck or anything, but want a good little hp/tq boost and a good sound. If I end up keeping stock fueling and just custom tuned & *****ed, would 6670R perform great? I have heard they have the old 6.0 whistle and I'm a former 6.0 guy that misses the diesel truck sounds... Or would you think the street max R is better? I know you have tested the 6670R for a year and I'm interested in what you think the comparison stock fueled is?
Also do you have and stock fueled 2015 videos of both turbos?
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If you don't plan on much more than maybe adding a little fuel the StreetMaxR will get great.



If you plan on future larger injectors, dual pumps,built engine, 700+ hp etc... Go with the 6670R.





I'm not looking for a drag truck or anything, but want a good little hp/tq boost and a good sound. If I end up keeping stock fueling and just custom tuned & *****ed, would 6670R perform great? I have heard they have the old 6.0 whistle and I'm a former 6.0 guy that misses the diesel truck sounds... Or would you think the street max R is better? I know you have tested the 6670R for a year and I'm interested in what you think the comparison stock fueled is?

Also do you have and stock fueled 2015 videos of both turbos?

On stock fuel they will make nearly the same power, because both turbos have more capacity than a stock single pump can put out. So on stock fuel your looking at a small gain in power difference. You do loose a little spooling with the bigger turbo, but you gain the turbine whistle. They both make about the same amount of noise out of the compressor.

It all comes down to price and what you want.

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I recently purchased a turbo from a nearby shop and its a 64mm 2015 style but it doesent have the inlet face machined out, it looks just like the factory turbo face as in the pic above but with a billet wheel. I called the shop and they said they dont machine the faces of the inlet anymore like in the pic above. Is this more restrictive to air flow or does it even make a damn? Just wondering if i should send it back and tell them to machine it or if its even worth messing with. Any input is appreciated, thank you.
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Is the streetmax R capable of near 700rwhp with fuel? I like what I am hearing about this turbo, but do not want to paint myself into a corner down the road when fuel gets added. Not looking to do the bottom end either, so that also limits me. I generally don't tow anything, maybe twice with any of my trucks in 14 years. Thanks!
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Is the streetmax R capable of near 700rwhp with fuel? I like what I am hearing about this turbo, but do not want to paint myself into a corner down the road when fuel gets added. Not looking to do the bottom end either, so that also limits me. I generally don't tow anything, maybe twice with any of my trucks in 14 years. Thanks!

650 seems to be the most we have been seeing. Anything more than that you will need a 6670R.


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Has anyone tried a 6670R WITHOUT dual fuelers, or is that a complete waste?
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i think its a good bit more turbo than stock fuel could use, but maybe morgan can confirm.
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Somewhere on here Morgan said the StreetmaxR leaves in the neighborhood of 50 HP on the table with a '15 pump. I would think the bigger turbo would be a waste unless you knew another fuel pump was going to magically appear in the near future.

Interested to see what he says though.
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I believe Gare is running a 6670 on a 2015 pump. From what I understand, a streetmaxR and a 6670 will make very similar power on a single 2015 pump. The only benefit is you could grow into the 6670 with dual fuel later and you get that whistle :
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Good to know... It's mearly thinking out loud for the time being. I have one of the original 64 mm Street Max turbos, and I've been wondering if it would be worthwhile to upgrade to the newer 65.5 model. If I'm going to spend the money, I wonder if the 6670R would be worth the extra cost. Unfortunately, I doubt I'll get much more than the $1,000 core charge for what I have now, so I'll probably just run it until I have a definite reason to make a change. Like I said, just thinking out loud.
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It all depends on you end goals. If you want over 650 hp, jump to the 6670
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I can see them making similar power since both provide more air than the fuel can use, but I wonder if the 6670 would be more sluggish and slower spooling.
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Ok...so mechanics has no influence? Seems it would be a bit more difficult to get lit when tuned right compared to the StreetmaxR tuned right...unless comparing good tunes to crappy.
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I'm not saying it has no influence, I'm saying it can be largely overcome by tuning.
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I'm not saying it has no influence, I'm saying it can be largely overcome by tuning.
i'd say to a point yes, but a turbine is a turbine. the barder will spoool slower. i think if you dont have a plan for dual fuel in the immediate future , its alot left on the table in spool and money .
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So once the duel fuelers or other system that someone uses to up the fuel for the 6670; what is the hp gain over the streetmax R? If that makes sense? So if you can get w/o fuel 650 with the SM-R, is it worth the extra $1700 for the 6670 as well as $3500 conservatively for duel fuelers to only gain 50-100 at most rwhp? Thanks!
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The StreetmaxR should be in the 650 range with fuel, or roughly 50 more than on '15 fuel. The 6670 should get you to about 750 with fuel. If you're buying the extra fuel anyway...may as well go with the 6670. Just my opinion, but I could see a case for staying with the StreetmaxR, since it won't make enough power to satisfactorily destroy internals and the 6670 is pushing the hell outta that limit.
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The StreetmaxR should be in the 650 range with fuel, or roughly 50 more than on '15 fuel. The 6670 should get you to about 750 with fuel. If you're buying the extra fuel anyway...may as well go with the 6670. Just my opinion, but I could see a case for staying with the StreetmaxR, since it won't make enough power to satisfactorily destroy internals and the 6670 is pushing the hell outta that limit.
"with fuel" is a very loose term. Not gonna hit 750 with a 6670R on stock nozzles...
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Morgan, or any guys that are just running a StreetMax and '15 pump, are you seeing any issues with other parts? Thinking this is where I'm going with my truck over the winter. Don't want a crazy hp truck, just a nice reliable daily driver. My truck currently is fully dereeted and canned tunes on the SCT.

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Morgan, or any guys that are just running a StreetMax and '15 pump, are you seeing any issues with other parts? Thinking this is where I'm going with my truck over the winter. Don't want a crazy hp truck, just a nice reliable daily driver. My truck currently is fully dereeted and canned tunes on the SCT.

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No issues here other than I want more power now....
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So at what horsepower are you on borrowed time with the stock internals of the engine? The reason I am asking is because I been looking at the StreetmaxR and the Barder 6670 setups. I am going to add H&S dual fueler and lpfp for whatever turbo setup I go with but keep stock internals.
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Has anyone tried a 6670R WITHOUT dual fuelers, or is that a complete waste?

Yes, plenty have them with a single pump. If you plan on more in the future it's ok. Otherwise the only gain will be sound.

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i think its a good bit more turbo than stock fuel could use, but maybe morgan can confirm.

Stock "2015" fuel is good for around 600 on most dyno's. You can over turbo it and still only gonna make that same power. So yeah.

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I can see them making similar power since both provide more air than the fuel can use, but I wonder if the 6670 would be more sluggish and slower spooling.

Similar power. Both spool well. But you do give up some cruising egt's and tip in response with the bigger charger.

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i'd say to a point yes, but a turbine is a turbine. the barder will spoool slower. i think if you dont have a plan for dual fuel in the immediate future , its alot left on the table in spool and money .

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So once the duel fuelers or other system that someone uses to up the fuel for the 6670; what is the hp gain over the streetmax R? If that makes sense? So if you can get w/o fuel 650 with the SM-R, is it worth the extra $1700 for the 6670 as well as $3500 conservatively for duel fuelers to only gain 50-100 at most rwhp? Thanks!

The dyno's we've been using are showing 540 stock 15 charger and pump, 600 with 65.5 and 650 with 65.5 and added fuel. On average.

6670 and fuel probably good for 700 ish. Built engine ported heads bigger injectors we've seen 750.

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The StreetmaxR should be in the 650 range with fuel, or roughly 50 more than on '15 fuel. The 6670 should get you to about 750 with fuel. If you're buying the extra fuel anyway...may as well go with the 6670. Just my opinion, but I could see a case for staying with the StreetmaxR, since it won't make enough power to satisfactorily destroy internals and the 6670 is pushing the hell outta that limit.

Yep.

With aggressive fueling and poor driving habits, either can spit rods... But then again so can a s366 or stock charger.

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"with fuel" is a very loose term. Not gonna hit 750 with a 6670R on stock nozzles...

Not on most dyno's. Some on the east coast may..

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Morgan, or any guys that are just running a StreetMax and '15 pump, are you seeing any issues with other parts? Thinking this is where I'm going with my truck over the winter. Don't want a crazy hp truck, just a nice reliable daily driver. My truck currently is fully dereeted and canned tunes on the SCT.



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"with fuel" is a very loose term. Not gonna hit 750 with a 6670R on stock nozzles...
Well, yeah. You can only get so much fuel through a given orifice. Thought we were talking about turbo capabilities.
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With aggressive fueling and poor driving habits, either can spit rods... But then again so can a s366 or stock charger.
I would love a StreetmaxR, but I'd probably need a built motor. I should probably be driving my tow tune now, since I drive like a dipsh!t. Hard to put the genie back in the bottle, though.
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I would love a StreetmaxR, but I'd probably need a built motor. I should probably be driving my tow tune now, since I drive like a dipsh!t. Hard to put the genie back in the bottle, though.

I have guys that I have tuned with stock engines and Trans dual pumps and 65.5's with good luck. Just have to tune accordingly.


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Morgan how are the trucks running the barder 6670R on a stock engine holding up? Will I need to build my engine or transmission to handle the horsepower that the barder 6670R is capable of?
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Morgan how are the trucks running the barder 6670R on a stock engine holding up? Will I need to build my engine or transmission to handle the horsepower that the barder 6670R is capable of?

Just fine. You do need tuning specifically for that turbo. Had a guy running standard 2015 tunes with really aggressive low end fueling and the incorrect vane position knock the rods out of one a month or two ago. They don't operate like a 15 charger. About as bad as running a 15 charger on 11-14 stock turbo tunes.


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So what is a 11 pump going to run on a 65.5? 5 50 is before running out of fuel?
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So what is a 11 pump going to run on a 65.5? 5 50 is before running out of fuel?

Roughly. Have seen mid to upper 500's.


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I think maybe sometime beginning of the year I'm gonna pull the trigger on a streetmax. Seems like the best bet for stock fuel on a 15. I'm not trying to get crazy, just want a tad more.


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So what is the Industrial single turbo? Best I can tell it is s300? I am looking to upgrade fuel with both LPFP and either '15 HPFP or duals if the turbo would gain anything over just the '15 pump. I'd like 600 reliable and stop the insanity until I get a single cab to play with. I have 2012 with II single kit and stock fuel, GH tunes on a MM.
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just do dual fuel and you should get where you want to.
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For a DD looking for about 600 at the wheels, never towing, but maximizing fuel efficiency would it better to do a modded '15 swap or a 64.5SXE? Yes, I know it has a lot to do with tuning and driving style. I'm just asking for a general response assuming proper tuning and average driving.
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For a DD looking for about 600 at the wheels, never towing, but maximizing fuel efficiency would it better to do a modded '15 swap or a 64.5SXE? Yes, I know it has a lot to do with tuning and driving style. I'm just asking for a general response assuming proper tuning and average driving.
stick with a vgt for sure...
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stick with a vgt for sure...
I appreciate your short and concise answer! Part two here..SPE with 360 thrust bearing VS streetmax? A 66mm seems kinda big for my goals but unsure if it'll spool quicker than a normal 66 since it's VGT
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I appreciate your short and concise answer! Part two here..SPE with 360 thrust bearing VS streetmax? A 66mm seems kinda big for my goals but unsure if it'll spool quicker than a normal 66 since it's VGT
i avoid SPE. Midwests' Streetmax X is 66 as well, also with a 360* thrust bearing. Best thing is they have good tuning as well. Spool is not affected as the turbine side is stock.
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i avoid SPE. Midwests' Streetmax X is 66 as well, also with a 360* thrust bearing. Best thing is they have good tuning as well. Spool is not affected as the turbine side is stock.
Why avoid SPE? Seems like a good deal since it includes all piping intercooler and turbo with thrust bearings
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Why avoid SPE? Seems like a good deal since it includes all piping intercooler and turbo with thrust bearings
I just dont like the way they do business...I guess you are too new here to remember the chitshow that went down a few years ago with them on here.

Also, I haven't met anyone yet that likes their tuning.
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Yea my brother had SPE tunning on his 13 and he switched in less than 30 days to GH tunning.

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So from what I gathered here is the 15-16ís have a different turbo and make a bunch more power?
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So from what I gathered here is the 15-16ís have a different turbo and make a bunch more power?
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Iíve seen 600rwhp out of a hot tuned 15-16í. If thatís true. Thatís amazing.
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Does anyone here have experience using a ‘15 up gt37 with gt4094 inards?
If so who did your software to help make it right?
Im considering building one for my truck, but i wonder if its too big for everyday use.
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Mine did a consistent 580-589 when I was still vgt.

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Mine did a consistent 580-589 when I was still vgt.
Stock turbo? What can the stock motor handle safely? 700rwhp?
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Stock turbo? What can the stock motor handle safely? 700rwhp?
11-16 trucks can live at 700. i know of at least three 2017 trucks at 740ish and still ticking fine...
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Mines at 680-689hp
Buddy of mine, 2011 has done 720-730hp
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Mines at 680-689hp
Buddy of mine, 2011 has done 720-730hp
The 720 HP Non vgt I assume? These engines don't like those numbers with a vgt...

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The 720 HP Non vgt I assume? These engines don't like those numbers with a vgt...

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11-16 trucks can live at 700. i know of at least three 2017 trucks at 740ish and still ticking fine...
Sounds like the motor is good at 700 does that go for the trans as well?

Is it true to stay away from the 11’s something about a valve issue? Anyone have an idea what these trucks weigh.... 4 door shortbed 4x4 Lariat.
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Trans will live a long while at 650+. Mine makes 668 and has been thrashed daily for years now. I have a comp unit sitting on the floor so I've been trying to break it to no avail!

The valve issue on the 11s was isolated to trucks built before April 11 I believe. But yes it is a real thing as my truck had the problem and got a new/used heart as a result
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Sounds like the motor is good at 700 does that go for the trans as well?

Is it true to stay away from the 11ís something about a valve issue? Anyone have an idea what these trucks weigh.... 4 door shortbed 4x4 Lariat.
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I lost my trans at 28,000. but my buddy has had his 2011 with stock trans at that power for 120,000 miles. Shows you the difference in those extra clutch packs I guess.
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Has anyone on here purchased the Ď15 retrofit kit with the modded 66mm streetmax x from Midwest?? If so what all is included in that kit?


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Has anyone on here purchased the Ď15 retrofit kit with the modded 66mm streetmax x from Midwest?? If so what all is included in that kit?


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