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What is the best way to test a anti gel other than just putting in the tank and hopeing I dont gel? Thanks
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I've used power service in -20 with no issues. Just a little real world experience hope it helps..
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The problem with testing anti gel properties in your truck is the issues that it causes in your truck. You can just mix it up and set it outside as well. But that only gives one dynamic. You can also use the freezer, but that probably won't go near enough to the gel point of winter #2.
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Also, it is important to remember that anti gel treatments themselves can get quite thick. It is mixing them with the diesel that completes the chemistry. Anti gel basically does one thing, it separates the wax crystals from each other when they start to form in the fuel.
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I personally do not like power service I have had it in several trucks that still gelled when it got real cold mainly -10 and below. Had 2 dmaxes and a 6.0 do it with power service.
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I've used Power Service (White Bottle) in temps as low as -30*F (before wind chill) and never (knocks on wood) had any gelling issues. Sure....truck didn't want to start and bitched for a couple minutes, but never gelled up. I do over-dose it a little bit tho, and use TW3 2-stroke oil as well.
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I've used Power Service (White Bottle) in temps as low as -30*F (before wind chill) and never (knocks on wood) had any gelling issues. Sure....truck didn't want to start and bitched for a couple minutes, but never gelled up. I do over-dose it a little bit tho, and use TW3 2-stroke oil as well.
It seems to be more of a prevalent issue with trucks that have fuel filters on the frame rail
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It seems to be more of a prevalent issue with trucks that have fuel filters on the frame rail
I only have 1 on the frame, but still....no issues.

I've noticed a lot of the people that have issues live in more southern states, and although I have no proof, my theory is they live in an area with either poorly mixed winter fuel, or still have summer fuel in the tank.
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I only have 1 on the frame, but still....no issues.

I've noticed a lot of the people that have issues live in more southern states, and although I have no proof, my theory is they live in an area with either poorly mixed winter fuel, or still have summer fuel in the tank.
Over on CompD there were quite a few guys who have had issues with Power Service and gelling. Majority lived in cold northern states
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Over on CompD there were quite a few guys who have had issues with Power Service and gelling. Majority lived in cold northern states
And if that's the case, maybe I'm just lucky.

Of course, if you knew me better, you'd KNOW that wasn't the case,
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Its no secret what keeps fuel from gelling. You will see companies that can make a good product have issues pop up when they are not ISO 9001 compliant. Its a PITA to keep the ISO standards, but it pays off in consistency. Some of our products are checked 30 times from the base oil entering til the final product leaves. We do it for the 100 million dollar turbines our oil goes into. But it benefits all our customers from the 10 gig power gen plants to the guy with a Sthil weed whacker.
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Its no secret what keeps fuel from gelling. You will see companies that can make a good product have issues pop up when they are not ISO 9001 compliant. Its a PITA to keep the ISO standards, but it pays off in consistency. Some of our products are checked 30 times from the base oil entering til the final product leaves. We do it for the 100 million dollar turbines our oil goes into. But it benefits all our customers from the 10 gig power gen plants to the guy with a Sthil weed whacker.
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And if that's the case, maybe I'm just lucky.

Of course, if you knew me better, you'd KNOW that wasn't the case,
You didn't get lucky Tom, I have used Power Service up here since 2005 and never gelled trucks, tractors, skidders ever.. I give it a good dose of it and it works for me..
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I've had powerservice gel in blended fuel a couple of times and I dump the 100 gallon bottle in my 26 gallon tank. -20's air temp with a 6.0 both times. Never a issue with 7.3 or 6.6 duramax.
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Two 6.0's and one 7.3 for me.. I plowed a lot with all three.. I also added motorcraft performance improver to it, maybe that has something to do with it..
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Maybe. I think my issues were with small town stations that said blended to a certain temp but were not close. I try to stick with truck stops here in the winter and haven't had a issue. I still dump the 32 ounce bottle in every tank. Sure runs smoother.

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Well, I'm glad not everyone has had issues with PS. However, no one has ever had issues with Full Torque, or BTU+. I have a dozen ice road truckers that use it in Alaska at -40 or colder. And not only did it not gel, it helped their engines run smoother. Let me see If I can upload some info.
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When can I get some. Really interested. Would like to start running it in my new 2015. Is it ***/ emissions friendly?

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I look forward to checking out your products when I get my truck running again.

I have had issues gelling up at 15 degrees. ( and yes that's 15 over zero not below )
I have used the Amsoil winter additive and P/S additive and still have problems.
I changed fuel filters regularly( 5K miles) and drained the separator once a month with minimal water coming out each time.
I was told by the guys I work with that you can add to much and it has a reverse effect, is this true?
I see a guy several posts back said he adds the entire 100gal bottle to his 27gal tank and has zero issues in some really low temps.
What am I missing.
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Our company is changing its packaging and marketing program. I have 5 gallon buckets now, but the quart and pint bottles are held up for a month right now.
I will put you on the list for a sample. It is full EPA compliant with all emissions garbage. It is also Bio Diesel friendly.
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I have had issues gelling up at 15 degrees. ( and yes that's 15 over zero not below )
I have used the Amsoil winter additive and P/S additive and still have problems.
I changed fuel filters regularly( 5K miles) and drained the separator once a month with minimal water coming out each time.
I was told by the guys I work with that you can add to much and it has a reverse effect, is this true?
I see a guy several posts back said he adds the entire 100gal bottle to his 27gal tank and has zero issues in some really low temps.
What am I missing.
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That sounds like bad fuel to me. I would love for you to try our stuff, it seems to help those guys up north with fuel problems. But, in the long run it is better to solve the bad fuel issue. The water will not separate if it is fully emulsified. And yes, too much might have a negative effect at a point depending on some of the chemistry. But that point is very very high ppm.
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I would typically fill up at the same station so that makes good sense, odd to me though because its a high demand station right of the H.W. so I figured it would be a constant supply of fresh fuel.
I will for sure be in touch when I get her back on the road for all fresh fluids...
Thanks for all the great info you have be supplying.
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I'm interested in trying it as well, Jim.

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We will have pints, quarts, buckets, barrels, totes, and tankers.

I will have a thread on it as soon as the new bottles are ready to go. I will keep you all listed for the free trial I am working on.

There are two versions, summer and winter.
The winter formula will be priced as follows.

181.10 shipped plus tax for a bucket
68.76 shipped plus tax for a case of 12 pints
128.52 shipped plus tax for a case of 12 quarts

Summer formula is
152.70
57.96
108.36 respectively

I will also be able to ship singles, but I would rather work out of cases for a few reasons. First, its less expensive to you. Second, I don't get credit towards the sponsorship of the page at single levels unless its in western Michigan (long story, but thats how the rules are set up).

Again, I will have a sample program coming as soon as the new bottles are ready.
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Good info Jim thanks. Keep us updated.
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I'd buy a case.

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Good call!!

Jim, am I reading the lubricity chart wrong that would leave me to believe your is the lowest?
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Good call!!

Jim, am I reading the lubricity chart wrong that would leave me to believe your is the lowest?
I took that to mean wear scar results? As in lower wear scar?
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Correct, we are tied for the best in wear scar. We might not beat everybody in every test, but we are at the top in all of the categories combined, and no one else can say that.. at least in with these competitors. And they are the major ones on the market. The FTC prohibits us from publishing the competitors, but I know who they are and the aren't nobody's.
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I feel fortunate. Regularly -20 F around here. Never gels & I've disconnected my fuel bowl heater. We must be getting good Winter blend fuel. She does burn cleaner in the Winter.
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I feel fortunate. Regularly -20 F around here. Never gels & I've disconnected my fuel bowl heater. We must be getting good Winter blend fuel. She does burn cleaner in the Winter.
air is colder, cleaner and denser in winter. better burn with good fuel

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Correct, we are tied for the best in wear scar. We might not beat everybody in every test, but we are at the top in all of the categories combined, and no one else can say that.. at least in with these competitors. And they are the major ones on the market. The FTC prohibits us from publishing the competitors, but I know who they are and the aren't nobody's.
No need for how it did against others. But how is fords additive overall? Would like to start using it. And when I start yours, try to see if there's a difference.

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It's not one of those we tested, ill look into it though


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I Would give it a shot. I use power service and stanadyne currently depending on what I have.

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Our company is changing its packaging and marketing program. I have 5 gallon buckets now, but the quart and pint bottles are held up for a month right now.
I will put you on the list for a sample. It is full EPA compliant with all emissions garbage. It is also Bio Diesel friendly.
Any update on time frame for the quart and pint bottles?
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The supplier for the new bottles has kinda screwed us. It might not be until June now. Not sure how a company can be that far off of a ship date on something...
Ive got buckets. Thats how I buy it. But for you to test thats quite a buy. If anyone wanted to try the bucket, I would buy it back from them if they didn't like the results. Sorry for the delay though.


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Or if your anywhere near Michigan, I can meet up with you and you can have some of mine.


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Still no bottles from our bottle manufacturer... I think this is the dumbest thing Ive ever experienced... Every month they say next month. It's got to be soon, otherwise we will go to a different manufacturing plant for them. We do have buckets, and that's the best deal. But a pain to distribute.


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I love the stuff... it's worth it to buy the bucket..
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well, when bottles are offered, ill get some.

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Still no bottles from our bottle manufacturer... I think this is the dumbest thing Ive ever experienced... Every month they say next month. It's got to be soon, otherwise we will go to a different manufacturing plant for them. We do have buckets, and that's the best deal. But a pain to distribute.


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Missing out on a big market in the meantime.
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No kidding.


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I have sold a bunch in barrels to my truck shops though. Looks like I have a tanker possibly sold too. I'm working on automatic dispensers at my shops for their fill stations. At least I know it's a great product before I sell it to y'all lol!


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