2013+ steering gearbox in older trucks

Jomax · Mar 12, 2017

I'm pretty sure someone here talked about it and they did the swap, I just can't remember who.

Can it be done? Looking under my 2015, they look WAY beefier then the 2005 boxes. The bolt pattern is the same bolting to the frame, and the pitman arm placement looks to be the same. Just not sure about the lines going in, or the steering wheel shaft coming from the steering wheel will bolt up.

Thanks!

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PrecisionEngine · Mar 12, 2017

I did it. Its a direct swap. Here's the thread I started.

http://powerstrokearmy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75000

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Jomax · Mar 12, 2017

PrecisionEngine said:
I did it. Its a direct swap. Here's the thread I started.

http://powerstrokearmy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75000

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Thank you. I'll be using your thread to figure out if it's a direct swap to pre2007 trucks.

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co04cobra · Mar 12, 2017

On pre 07 trucks you have to change the steering shaft too iirc. They changed how the steering shafts connect to the box but the steering shaft change was also a bolt in job. Just the lower section needs changed.

Now does anyone know if the diesel boxes are different from the gas boxes? And what years did they change 11-16. I know they're suppose to be some improvements in the later boxes.

ju015dd · Mar 12, 2017

So these will fit 99 -03 rigs?

co04cobra · Mar 12, 2017

ju015dd said:
So these will fit 99 -03 rigs?

They can be made to work but one of the lines is different also.

PrecisionEngine · Mar 12, 2017

co04cobra said:
On pre 07 trucks you have to change the steering shaft too iirc. They changed how the steering shafts connect to the box but the steering shaft change was also a bolt in job. Just the lower section needs changed.

Now does anyone know if the diesel boxes are different from the gas boxes? And what years did they change 11-16. I know they're suppose to be some improvements in the later boxes.

The box I tried the swap with came off a gas job 2016. I've also posted the VIN# of that truck in the other thread (link in previous post).

Jomax · Mar 12, 2017

co04cobra said:
They can be made to work but one of the lines is different also.

You mean the line you have to replace when converting to a 2005+ box?

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JD3020 · Mar 12, 2017

Following this one. Been sorting out some issues with my 01 f-450, think my last issue is a worn steering box. Trucks about to click over 300k miles so i'd say it may have a little wear. LOL Haven't looked at the box on my '14 but with 58k miles and 35"s the steering on it is TIGHT and smooth, virtually no play at all. Would love to get my f450 close to it.

Jomax · Mar 13, 2017

co04cobra said:
On pre 07 trucks you have to change the steering shaft too iirc. They changed how the steering shafts connect to the box but the steering shaft change was also a bolt in job. Just the lower section needs changed.

Now does anyone know if the diesel boxes are different from the gas boxes? And what years did they change 11-16. I know they're suppose to be some improvements in the later boxes.

It's funny how Redhead said there was ABSOLUTELY no way to put that box in a 2007 truck, unless you custom made it work.

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Sterling6.7 · Mar 13, 2017

I would think that there might be a frame difference between the leaf and coil spring years, but even still, it can't be impossible. Might just be difficult. It is possible that the older pump style may limit the abilities of how well the newer box may "feel". Shouldn't be too much different though. I did a full power steering replacement from a power assist on my old '77 F250 a long time ago. Now THAT was a pain. Ended up fabricating a section of 3/4" plate alongside the frame rail for support. Worked a hell of a lot better in the end.

Jomax · Mar 14, 2017

Sterling6.7 said:
I would think that there might be a frame difference between the leaf and coil spring years, but even still, it can't be impossible. Might just be difficult. It is possible that the older pump style may limit the abilities of how well the newer box may "feel". Shouldn't be too much different though. I did a full power steering replacement from a power assist on my old '77 F250 a long time ago. Now THAT was a pain. Ended up fabricating a section of 3/4" plate alongside the frame rail for support. Worked a hell of a lot better in the end.

I have a 2007 box in a 99. I think the frame area is similar.

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Sterling6.7 · Mar 15, 2017

If you have already gone that far then I would say that you have it pretty much nailed down. Did the '07 box make the steering any lighter when first installed?

Jomax · Mar 16, 2017

Sterling6.7 said:
If you have already gone that far then I would say that you have it pretty much nailed down. Did the '07 box make the steering any lighter when first installed?

I haven't had the truck steer right since, installed the red head and sold the truck to my uncle. He barely uses it so it takes a while till issues get resolved. I'm about fed up with redhead. If this new box isn't perfect. It's getting a 2015 box installed. I'll try to get some refund, or if they won't give me one. Their loss, I'll make sure anyone wanting one on this forum , I'll be telling them to stand clear... it seems their quality has gone down these past few years. I

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16PS250 · Mar 16, 2017

March of 2010 was the change to the new steering box as per red head website.

Powerstroke Man 6.4 · Mar 16, 2017

What's needed to put the new 2013+ box on a 08-10?

Direct boltup and go?

PrecisionEngine · Mar 16, 2017

Powerstroke Man 6.4 said:
What's needed to put the new 2013+ box on a 08-10?

Direct boltup and go?

Yes.

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Black AOD · Mar 16, 2017

I just put a redhead box in my 08 just very recently and it did wonders for my steering. Almost everyone around here that has one loves them.

Sorry to hear about your Experience Jomax, that blows man

dsberman94 · Mar 16, 2017

Jomax said:
You mean the line you have to replace when converting to a 2005+ box?

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Which one do you have to change. Seriously looking into this now. I'm tired of my sloppy old box. And I'm not liking what your saying about the redhead boxes either. Sounds like to put this in an 02 I need a 2015 lower steering shaft piece and a new hydroboost line. At clue which line it is?

Jomax · Mar 16, 2017

dsberman94 said:
Which one do you have to change. Seriously looking into this now. I'm tired of my sloppy old box. And I'm not liking what your saying about the redhead boxes either. Sounds like to put this in an 02 I need a 2015 lower steering shaft piece and a new hydroboost line. At clue which line it is?

Steering gear box to the hydro pump.

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