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So apparently RCD posted a picture of rod differences in the 2017 rods. The rod on the left is apparently the new 2017 rod, and the right rod is the 2011-2016, and some of earlier 2017 rods. No other info on when they started production of the new rod or if it's stronger/weaker. Will be interesting to see if anyone else knew about this or has any more insight towards the rod differences and when they started putting these rods in the 2017s. They look stronger, but who knows. Anyone seen this yet?
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i would be interested to see if its an actual job 2 change or a 2017 change.
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Also, apparently a guy that works for the company has been commenting on the Facebook thread (he sets up the powdered metal presses for the new rods on the left in the picture) that makes the rods for Ford said these are stronger rods. That's why this company was asked to make them in the first place cause Ford wanted a stronger made rod. He said their company has been making them for about a year now for the 6.7s and fully went into all 6.7s mid model year 2017s. So possibly job 2 built 2017s may have these rods if that's what's considered mid model year but no clue at this point. Also sounds like it could be hit or miss too with these rods in the 2017s prior to mid year builds when it was fully implemented. Job 2 build dates I read starting Feb 20, 2017. My truck is a job 2 truck so will definitely be interested to find out more info on these rods and specific build dates.
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i would be interested to see if its an actual job 2 change or a 2017 change.
I completely agree. Jared from Midwest was saying that they've been building these 2017 engines and have not come across these new rods yet. Although I'm not sure if he's saying they've torn down a 2017 yet cause of a failure or if it's a reference to the new long block replacements they get from Ford. Maybe he can jump in and let us know if they've had a 2017 come apart yet there.
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I completely agree. Jared from Midwest was saying that they've been building these 2017 engines and have not come across these new rods yet. Although I'm not sure if he's saying they've torn down a 2017 yet cause of a failure or if it's a reference to the new long block replacements they get from Ford. Maybe he can jump in and let us know if they've had a 2017 come apart yet there.
very few of these motors have been torn down, maybe jared can chime in , but i haven't heard of anybody tearing down a 2017 motor yet.
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im gonna be butt hurt if i find i ended up with a weaker rod lol
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very few of these motors have been torn down, maybe jared can chime in , but i haven't heard of anybody tearing down a 2017 motor yet.
Hopefully he can chime in. Do you remember a while ago when Ford announce The new HP and torque ratings that it was mentioned that they will have different rods all together in the 2017s to help accommodate for a larger wrist pin? I've found some places mentioning this still and wonder if they have had the new rod design all along.
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im gonna be butt hurt if i find i ended up with a weaker rod lol
You and me both man haha. That's why I'm hoping we can get the exact answers somehow!
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It would be sweet if they were a direct replacement for the 11-16 rods for an affordable cost!

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It would be sweet if they were a direct replacement for the 11-16 rods for an affordable cost!

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Why bother? The cost and time of opening the motor up to replace rods at that point would just make more sense to put a set of billet Carillos or Wagler rods in at that point
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I made need that kit too if youre giving them out

On another note, I didnt realize that the picture was as small as it was with the rod comparisons earlier cause I uploaded from my phone. But here is a larger picture of the one I posted originally. Also, that guy who makes them commented again and said its basically a 6.0 PSD rod (their company made those as well as 7.3 and 6.4 rods). If you look at the link here from Elite where you can buy the 6.0 rod for the 6.7, they look extremely similar in design and size as the comparison picture posted of the new 2017 rod design. If these are the same strength as the 6.0 rods....this should greatly help make some more durable power out of these 6.7s.

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Why bother? The cost and time of opening the motor up to replace rods at that point would just make more sense to put a set of billet Carillos or Wagler rods in at that point
Those carillos and waglers are very spendy. And overkill for most.

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Those carillos and waglers are very spendy. And overkill for most.

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If you're opening up your motor for replacement or upgrade or building a motor you're already looking at big $.... that was my point
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If they're as strong as a 6.0 rod that really wouldn't help much. You rich folks 6.7s make so much damn torque so early.


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Oh yeah without a doubt, agreed
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Or straight up short block swap depending how much stronger the 17 rods are.
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Hopefully he can chime in. Do you remember a while ago when Ford announce The new HP and torque ratings that it was mentioned that they will have different rods all together in the 2017s to help accommodate for a larger wrist pin? I've found some places mentioning this still and wonder if they have had the new rod design all along.
I remember reading about the larger wrist pin long before i bought my '17 last year. So i would think that ford made the switch right at the beginning of the aluminum body. Woudn't make sense to upgrade the old style rods to a larger wrist pin then make another larger rod with the same upgraded wrist pin... There is a greater probability that some late '16s got some of those newer rods!! At least this is what i would like to think
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I remember reading about the larger wrist pin long before i bought my '17 last year. So i would think that ford made the switch right at the beginning of the aluminum body. Woudn't make sense to upgrade the old style rods to a larger wrist pin then make another larger rod with the same upgraded wrist pin... There is a greater probability that some late '16s got some of those newer rods!! At least this is what i would like to think
Glad someone else also remembers this!! It doesnt make sense to me why all 2017s wouldnt have the different rod design if they knew they were increasing the HP/torque. Still dont have confirmation on if anyone with a factory installed 17 engine has been torn down yet or if a lot of people are just ordering "17" long blocks/short blocks and receiving the old rods in them. Hopefully we can get clarification on this.
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Pretty sure the wrist pins are different. If that's the case,
swapping rods would also require swapping pistons.
Now, if I found myself with a hurt 11-16 motor, and didn't plan on getting hog wild with it. There's no question which style I'd go back together with.
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I was looking on fordparts.com and there is a difference in pistons, rods, piston pins and crankshaft in build date after 2016-01-06. There is a 34mm and 35mm piston pin too. That could confirm my theory that some '16s have the upgraded rods and that all '17s have them...
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I was looking on fordparts.com and there is a difference in pistons, rods, piston pins and crankshaft in build date after 2016-01-06. There is a 34mm and 35mm piston pin too. That could confirm my theory that some '16s have the upgraded rods and that all '17s have them...
Great find!! Hope that is the case! So are you saying there is a total of 3 different wrist pins that you found? The 11-16 (Some), and 2 other wrist pins the 34 mm and the 35 mm? The guy whos company makes them said they've been making them for a year or so. I just wonder if that falls in line with when his company started making them.
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^ makes sense, my 16 was built in june of 16- i bought it and took it to my ford tech buddy and he went straight to the build date amd said "oh good you have all the upgraded parts". I figured he was just talking about the turbo, pump etc.. not the rods and internals- he was talking about these i assume ill have to ask later today.
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I was looking on fordparts.com and there is a difference in pistons, rods, piston pins and crankshaft in build date after 2016-01-06. There is a 34mm and 35mm piston pin too. That could confirm my theory that some '16s have the upgraded rods and that all '17s have them...
Good find. very interesting.
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I think some of the guys who rebuild these engines daily should probably chime in though with what theyve seen on the 16s first before the assumptions are made. Hell, we dont even know when/if the 17s had any different rods put in them. Hopefully someone can get some hard evidence of the changes made and when. Then theres a whole new aspect once thats found. Are these updated rods better or worse than the old style? Be interesting to find all this out in the coming months/years once the guys who deal with these every day can shed some light on it.
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Great find!! Hope that is the case! So are you saying there is a total of 3 different wrist pins that you found? The 11-16 (Some), and 2 other wrist pins the 34 mm and the 35 mm? The guy whos company makes them said they've been making them for a year or so. I just wonder if that falls in line with when his company started making them.
There was only two pins listed for the '16, 34-35mm and only one for the '17, 35mm

I can't believe no one already have opened an engine that was installed in a '17 truck?
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I thought Morgan and Jarrod did at midwest? Very early on....
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man oh man, this could be excuse to buy a new truck! buddy already bothering me to buy my truck, that 450 dually might be even closer
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2017 engine has new Pistons, rods, crankshaft, cylinder heads plus twin pilot injection ......
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If this is true it will be the final push for me to sell mine and get a 17! Definitely interested now!
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If this is true it will be the final push for me to sell mine and get a 17! Definitely interested now!
Exactly! Somebody test it so I don't have to lol
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So this is suppose to be the Job 2's which have a build date after Feb.20th 2017?
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Here is the pics I have found.

6.0 rod next to 6.7

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Yes.How did your new No Limit intercooler install go?Haven't notice you posting about it?

Trucks not puking anymore, but I'm not getting enough coolant to the CAC. My fuel cooler isn't working either. I think I hurt the waterpump running it dry when I killed the last CAC.

When I increase RPM by downshifting to 5th (speed stays the same and no extra load is given) the CAC temps raise insanely fast. Leads me to believe he impeller on the water pump is spinning on the shaft with higher rpm.

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Trucks not puking anymore, but I'm not getting enough coolant to the CAC. My fuel cooler isn't working either. I think I hurt the waterpump running it dry when I killed the last CAC.

When I increase RPM by downshifting to 5th (speed stays the same and no extra load is given) the CAC temps raise insanely fast. Leads me to believe he impeller on the water pump is spinning on the shaft with higher rpm.

Haven't had the time to replace the waterpump. But will Next week and was going to update my thread.


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Just out of curiosity how do you find the build date of your truck?
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look at the manufacturer sticker on the drivers door pillar of your truck
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Just out of curiosity how do you find the build date of your truck?
Heres a pretty handy site that will tell you exact build day plus all the manufacturing jargon of what all was assembled with your truck (options and parts). Type your VIN in here and you can find it all.

https://www.etis.ford.com/vehicleReg...63.eccvas1900f
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Nice! Thank you.
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Not necessarily.... I wouldn't put it past Ford to have maybe switched the alloy material that the new rod is made out of...who knows what these things will hold power wise or do. Bigger isn't always better
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My motor has them I can tell.
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Figures mine was built on Feb 16
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A Ford contact I have stated that these rods are in all 2017 trucks.
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$100 to the first one to run 11 seconds flat at 8,000lbs with stock rods.
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$100 to the first one to run 11 seconds flat at 8,000lbs with stock rods.
100$ is not worth that risk haha
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Sooooo, any updates?

Shopping for Christmas gifts and curious how many butthurt care packages I need to buy before they start selling out.

ChattyCathy said, "My motor had them I can tell." But not sure exactly what he's referring to.

The 35mm wrist pin rod or the new mystery 6.0 style rod.


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ChattyCathy said, "My motor had them I can tell." But not sure exactly what he's referring to.
you must not be familiar with his body of work. He is trolling
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you must not be familiar with his body of work. He is trolling
That is just rude man I happen to own a high-energy synchrotron X-Ray.
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Negative.... Used to a fairly tight ship on here.
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17 up have better rods. end of story.
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17 up have better rods. end of story.
Bigger. They have bigger rods.

No one has proven they are better yet. By any means.

Bigger is not always better. I am inclined to agree with sootie and I would like to think the beefier rods definitely will hold a lot more power but it has yet to be proven.

I'm not one to argue on forums much because it never goes anywhere but until someone can show me that these new "bigger" rods can hold a lot more power, say 800whp and 1500 ft lbs at early RPM, i'm not going to confidently say they are indeed" better"
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Later 16's have them as well. My truck has the 17 rods. Verified this with dealer- last production 16's have them.
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Guess that's where I'm confused.

Are the late 16/present rods the beefier Rod on the left.

Or did they upsize the wrist pin (late 16/17 and have now beefed up the entire connecting rod. (Date of change to be announced)
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Later 16's have them as well. My truck has the 17 rods. Verified this with dealer- last production 16's have them.
Do you know when they changed that?

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I was told mine was the last of the 16's. My build date was June 2016. So i assume that month?
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I was looking on fordparts.com and there is a difference in pistons, rods, piston pins and crankshaft in build date after 2016-01-06. There is a 34mm and 35mm piston pin too. That could confirm my theory that some '16s have the upgraded rods and that all '17s have them...
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My 16 was built in 03/16 so I hope I got the upgraded rods lol

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I think until we can get an actual Ford engine build dates with the bigger rods, not just larger wrist pins, its a lot of speculation and misinformation that goes on. That is until more people start actually building these new engines and/or removing the oil pan and visually inspecting what your engine has.
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My understanding is they upgraded the wrist pin on the above date. Now they have upgraded the beam from the one on the right to the one on the left..

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Just looking to clarify whether there was one or two changes to the connecting rods between 2015MY and 2018MY.




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Wristpin update was in 2016.

Rod update was in 2017.

Call out on the short block with bigger rods is HC3Z, which H = 17MY. End of story.

I have never seen a 16, even a summer build of 2016 have the bigger rod.

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Wristpin update was in 2016.

Rod update was in 2017.

Call out on the short block with bigger rods is HC3Z, which H = 17MY. End of story.

I have never seen a 16, even a summer build of 2016 have the bigger rod.

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Wristpin update was in 2016.

Rod update was in 2017.

Call out on the short block with bigger rods is HC3Z, which H = 17MY. End of story.

I have never seen a 16, even a summer build of 2016 have the bigger rod.

Just speaking from experience
Jared to the rescue!!! Did you ever figure out why the new engines you were getting in from Ford were still getting the small rod design? Cause originally I thought even the new 17 assemblies you mentioned you were getting in were coming with old rod design.
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Wristpin update was in 2016.

Rod update was in 2017.

Call out on the short block with bigger rods is HC3Z, which H = 17MY. End of story.

I have never seen a 16, even a summer build of 2016 have the bigger rod.

Just speaking from experience
Build dates: Before 1/6/17-34mm pin, After 1/7/17-35mm pin.

Its interesting how pricing for the 15-16 rods are $115.00 a piece and the 17up are $37.00 ?????

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