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Wife wants to go back to a midsized sedan. Currently driving 16 Explorer. She has been looking at Camrys, VW Jetta/Passats and different Subarus. The gas VWs seem to be the cheapest of the options. Doesn't want anything more than 5 years old. Rescently noticed a few TDIs from 2013 and up that were under 40k and $15. Just looking for some general info/advice on the various years in that range. Much appreciate any help!

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Also, she doesn't mind driving a manual. I'm sure they are like hens teath though. Not real sure about the DSG auto though. Leaning more towards the Passat than the Jetta.

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Also, she doesn't mind driving a manual. I'm sure they are like hens teath though. Not real sure about the DSG auto though. Leaning more towards the Passat than the Jetta.

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Passat is considered a mid-sized whereas the Jetta is a compact. At least in the older versions anyway.

With the same engine and trans, the Jetta gets better mpg than the Passat because it’s smaller.
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Passat is considered a mid-sized whereas the Jetta is a compact. At least in the older versions anyway.

With the same engine and trans, the Jetta gets better mpg than the Passat because it’s smaller.
The Jetta seems to be significantly bigger than it used to be and so does the Passat. It's more about trunk space than seating when comparing the two. That's why we are leaning towards the Passat. I'm just not sure about the transmission and emmissons equipment. Are these cars easy to service?

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My girl has a 2014 Passat TDI SEL Premium. It has the DSG auto and I love it compared to the 09A slushbox on my 05 Jetta TDI. It really puts the power to the ground and shifts very smooth. I'm not totally in love with the factory shift strategy but that can be changed.


We bought the car with 36K on it and currently have 62K and the only problem so far has been the DEF heater which is both under warranty and recall. Didn't opt for the buyback but have not had the "fix" done to it yet. Not sure how performance will suffer, after warranty is up I plan to have it tuned anyway. Right now it has great power and gets low 40's highway. Quiet, rides comfortable, plenty of room and handles well for a larger sedan. Warranty has been extended on the particulate system up to 10yrs or 120K if I read the notice right.



What I have found in owning German engineered vehicles is that if they say do maintenance on this system at a specific interval they mean it. I think that's where a lot of folks have issues. Neither the Passat or my Jetta have been the easiest of vehicles to work on or maintain but if you're handy with tools it's not horrible. You will need some special tools for some jobs. A few small things need to be moved out of the way on a Passat to change the oil filter but I don't think it's a big deal. Changing the DSG fluid was a messy pain in the ass but again it's doable. I sprung for the Ross Tech VAGCOM scan tool which has been a huge help. It's like AE but VW specific and for me was cheaper than upgrading my cable and buying the VW bundle for AE.


So follow all maintenance at the specified intervals, use the proper spec fluids (you need a 507.00 VW spec engine oil for all 09+ TDI's) and you shouldn't have a problem. I favor HENGST filters and Pentosin Super Performance III engine oil. IDPARTS is a great place to get supplies and parts. I also use a fuel treatment additive on each fill up - same as I do with my 7.3 and every other diesel engine I own.



Despite some of their quirks I think VW makes a great car and the TDI is a good engine. My 05 has 220K on it with zero major issues. I expect nothing less from the Passat as well.
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My girl has a 2014 Passat TDI SEL Premium. It has the DSG auto and I love it compared to the 09A slushbox on my 05 Jetta TDI. It really puts the power to the ground and shifts very smooth. I'm not totally in love with the factory shift strategy but that can be changed.


We bought the car with 36K on it and currently have 62K and the only problem so far has been the DEF heater which is both under warranty and recall. Didn't opt for the buyback but have not had the "fix" done to it yet. Not sure how performance will suffer, after warranty is up I plan to have it tuned anyway. Right now it has great power and gets low 40's highway. Quiet, rides comfortable, plenty of room and handles well for a larger sedan. Warranty has been extended on the particulate system up to 10yrs or 120K if I read the notice right.



What I have found in owning German engineered vehicles is that if they say do maintenance on this system at a specific interval they mean it. I think that's where a lot of folks have issues. Neither the Passat or my Jetta have been the easiest of vehicles to work on or maintain but if you're handy with tools it's not horrible. You will need some special tools for some jobs. A few small things need to be moved out of the way on a Passat to change the oil filter but I don't think it's a big deal. Changing the DSG fluid was a messy pain in the ass but again it's doable. I sprung for the Ross Tech VAGCOM scan tool which has been a huge help. It's like AE but VW specific and for me was cheaper than upgrading my cable and buying the VW bundle for AE.


So follow all maintenance at the specified intervals, use the proper spec fluids (you need a 507.00 VW spec engine oil for all 09+ TDI's) and you shouldn't have a problem. I favor HENGST filters and Pentosin Super Performance III engine oil. IDPARTS is a great place to get supplies and parts. I also use a fuel treatment additive on each fill up - same as I do with my 7.3 and every other diesel engine I own.



Despite some of their quirks I think VW makes a great car and the TDI is a good engine. My 05 has 220K on it with zero major issues. I expect nothing less from the Passat as well.
I really appreciate you sharing your experience! Kind of excited to test drive one to see how different they are from a regular gasser. I'll let you know what I think.

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Significantly lower car payment and better gas mileage. After owning the explorer, we've just found that it's not necessary. She gets a car/maintenance allowance since she uses her car for work, but we found out she gets the money wether she uses it or not.

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Significantly lower car payment and better gas mileage. After owning the explorer, we've just found that it's not necessary. She gets a car/maintenance allowance since she uses her car for work, but we found out she gets the money wether she uses it or not.

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My girl has a 2014 Passat TDI SEL Premium. It has the DSG auto and I love it compared to the 09A slushbox on my 05 Jetta TDI. It really puts the power to the ground and shifts very smooth. I'm not totally in love with the factory shift strategy but that can be changed.


We bought the car with 36K on it and currently have 62K and the only problem so far has been the DEF heater which is both under warranty and recall. Didn't opt for the buyback but have not had the "fix" done to it yet. Not sure how performance will suffer, after warranty is up I plan to have it tuned anyway. Right now it has great power and gets low 40's highway. Quiet, rides comfortable, plenty of room and handles well for a larger sedan. Warranty has been extended on the particulate system up to 10yrs or 120K if I read the notice right.



What I have found in owning German engineered vehicles is that if they say do maintenance on this system at a specific interval they mean it. I think that's where a lot of folks have issues. Neither the Passat or my Jetta have been the easiest of vehicles to work on or maintain but if you're handy with tools it's not horrible. You will need some special tools for some jobs. A few small things need to be moved out of the way on a Passat to change the oil filter but I don't think it's a big deal. Changing the DSG fluid was a messy pain in the ass but again it's doable. I sprung for the Ross Tech VAGCOM scan tool which has been a huge help. It's like AE but VW specific and for me was cheaper than upgrading my cable and buying the VW bundle for AE.


So follow all maintenance at the specified intervals, use the proper spec fluids (you need a 507.00 VW spec engine oil for all 09+ TDI's) and you shouldn't have a problem. I favor HENGST filters and Pentosin Super Performance III engine oil. IDPARTS is a great place to get supplies and parts. I also use a fuel treatment additive on each fill up - same as I do with my 7.3 and every other diesel engine I own.



Despite some of their quirks I think VW makes a great car and the TDI is a good engine. My 05 has 220K on it with zero major issues. I expect nothing less from the Passat as well.
You will hate the car post fix fyi....

Worse mileage, higher def consumption and nasty transmission strategy.

All of which can be fixed with a tune of course.
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You will hate the car post fix fyi....

Worse mileage, higher def consumption and nasty transmission strategy.

All of which can be fixed with a tune of course.
Who is the go to tuner for these cars?

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Malone for aftermarket stuff.

That of course voids the warranty instantly which you won't want to do unless it's a high miler.

I know a guy in PA who is flashing these TDIs back to the pre fix strategy and knows how to fool the flash counter etc so it's virtually undetectable. I mean, not like it will hurt the car, it's a factory flash but VW loves voiding warranty. Only problem is you have to send him the actual ECM and he bench flashes it.

I would collect the remainder of the payout and go that route personally.

Biggest complaint post fix is the elevated shift points which makes the car feel gutless and NUTS turbo lag. Basically they are combating NOx emissions so they don't want the engine to lug at all. Kind of ruins the TDI experience as that's what they were known for. Also when it's cold, it runs so bad you think something is wrong with it.
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Malone for aftermarket stuff.

That of course voids the warranty instantly which you won't want to do unless it's a high miler.

I know a guy in PA who is flashing these TDIs back to the pre fix strategy and knows how to fool the flash counter etc so it's virtually undetectable. I mean, not like it will hurt the car, it's a factory flash but VW loves voiding warranty. Only problem is you have to send him the actual ECM and he bench flashes it.

I would collect the remainder of the payout and go that route personally.

Biggest complaint post fix is the elevated shift points which makes the car feel gutless and NUTS turbo lag. Basically they are combating NOx emissions so they don't want the engine to lug at all. Kind of ruins the TDI experience as that's what they were known for. Also when it's cold, it runs so bad you think something is wrong with it.
Thanks for the info! I'm leaning more towards the 2.5right now for simplicity's sake, but I want to test drive the TDI before we make a decision.

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Thanks for the info! I'm leaning more towards the 2.5right now for simplicity's sake, but I want to test drive the TDI before we make a decision.

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Finnaly got around to looking at some Jetta tdi's today. 14 with DSG and a 15 with the stick. Might pull the trigger on the stick. DSG is kind of slick, but I want something that will last a long time as we plan to drive this thing till the wheels fall of. Has 40k and they want 14,800 for it. Comes with lifetime powertrain warranty. I know the 14 or 15 is the transition year to the Gen 3, but haven't had time to confirm. I guess it basically means different HPFP, injectors and coolant system due to a water to air intercooler. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Just looking for a little more advice if anyone has some to offer. Thanks!

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One more thing. The 15 manual is an SE and has the backup camera and sunroof.

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We had a ‘15 Manual and was a sports edition, little stiffer springs, 6 speed and xenon headlights and I installed a short shifter in it. Fun little car until we took it in for the fix..... came back gutless, lost 5 miles per imperial gallon and I lost confidence in how durable it would be and the performance loss was dangerous MO. Also the wife wanted a larger rig, so we bought a used 2012 Touareg TDi, we put a Malone Stage two tune on it, turned off the AdBlue system and I installed a Rawtek mid pipe that eliminated the Diesel Particulate Filter and SCR exhaust instream canisters. Increased fuel economy from 32 to 36 mpg (again imperial gallons). Rig is a blast to drive, solid, with noticably better performance.

If you get the sedan, check into Malone Tuning and Rawtek exhausts, also short shifter kits and recommend fuel additive like Standadyne with a Cetane improver. I run fuel additive in all our diesel rigs.
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We had a ‘15 Manual and was a sports edition, little stiffer springs, 6 speed and xenon headlights and I installed a short shifter in it. Fun little car until we took it in for the fix..... came back gutless, lost 5 miles per imperial gallon and I lost confidence in how durable it would be and the performance loss was dangerous MO. Also the wife wanted a larger rig, so we bought a used 2012 Touareg TDi, we put a Malone Stage two tune on it, turned off the AdBlue system and I installed a Rawtek mid pipe that eliminated the Diesel Particulate Filter and SCR exhaust instream canisters. Increased fuel economy from 32 to 36 mpg (again imperial gallons). Rig is a blast to drive, solid, with noticably better performance.

If you get the sedan, check into Malone Tuning and Rawtek exhausts, also short shifter kits and recommend fuel additive like Standadyne with a Cetane improver. I run fuel additive in all our diesel rigs.
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Thanks a lot for sharing your experience/opinion! We are going to try and get the price down a little bit, but I think this will be a great car for the wife and then my daughter to learn how to drive a stick. I will probably eventually do the ****** and then a stage 1 Malone tune if she is complaining about the performance. I suspect she will be fine though.
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Definitely not afraid of it. It is a slick transmission for sure. I just want my daughter to learn to drive using a stick.
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JCart, did your car go through the phase 2 of the fix?
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JCart, did your car go through the phase 2 of the fix?
As I recall here in Western Canada, at the time the phase two was still in the works or hadn’t been released. We just did phase 1 which was a software “upgrade” and Phase two was a later hard parts upgrade. The DGS trannies are great but we where like you and wife wanted a standard, also for the kids to learn stick. The DGS also must be serviced periodically and here it was like $4-500.00, I prefer to do all our own maintenance, so that was a hard nope for DGS in our house.

The high pressure fuel pump can be a problem on these cars, the pump degrades and metal chips from the pump will cycle through the whole fuel system. As the system is a regulated return, the entire system needs replacement. Here it’s like a $10k bill..... to repair. I run a quality fuel additive in all our rigs but especially in the Jetta when we had it. Check in your jurisdiction and press the VW dealership to see how they will cover this known problem and for how long. As I recall the 2014 and older seemed more problematic.

Every vehicle has its “achillies heel” our OBS trucks typically, vacuum pump, water pump, CPS, steering pump hose, E4OD tranny. I’ve owned 6 of them and they are great trucks.

I really enjoyed our Jetta when we had it and was disipointed in the fix at that time and know a Malone and exhaust would sort the fix.... we’ve been really happy with the Touareg and are not getting it VW “fixed” .
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As I recall here in Western Canada, at the time the phase two was still in the works or hadn’t been released. We just did phase 1 which was a software “upgrade” and Phase two was a later hard parts upgrade. The DGS trannies are great but we where like you and wife wanted a standard, also for the kids to learn stick. The DGS also must be serviced periodically and here it was like $4-500.00, I prefer to do all our own maintenance, so that was a hard nope for DGS in our house.

The high pressure fuel pump can be a problem on these cars, the pump degrades and metal chips from the pump will cycle through the whole fuel system. As the system is a regulated return, the entire system needs replacement. Here it’s like a $10k bill..... to repair. I run a quality fuel additive in all our rigs but especially in the Jetta when we had it. Check in your jurisdiction and press the VW dealership to see how they will cover this known problem and for how long. As I recall the 2014 and older seemed more problematic.

Every vehicle has its “achillies heel” our OBS trucks typically, vacuum pump, water pump, CPS, steering pump hose, E4OD tranny. I’ve owned 6 of them and they are great trucks.

I really enjoyed our Jetta when we had it and was disipointed in the fix at that time and know a Malone and exhaust would sort the fix.... we’ve been really happy with the Touareg and are not getting it VW “fixed” .
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Thanks for sharing the info! My buddy has a Touareg. He loves it!

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Here it is. Talked them down $1800. They put all new rotors and pads on car too. Tried to get some new tires, but they didn't go for it. It's alright, I have the hookup on tires. Coming from a 16 Explorer Limited. Managed to reduce car payment by $300! So far it is a blast to drive. Can't wait to steal it from the wife when it's dry out.



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Yup this will be a nice ride and handling compared to the exploder and fuel economy will be noticably better I’m thinking. If interested I’ll get you the name of the guys that make the short shifter mod for it. S shifter mod is nice, very direct and positive.
Cheers on the new rig, might wanna check Malone Tuning website too....
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Yup this will be a nice ride and handling compared to the exploder and fuel economy will be noticably better I’m thinking. If interested I’ll get you the name of the guys that make the short shifter mod for it. S shifter mod is nice, very direct and positive.
Cheers on the new rig, might wanna check Malone Tuning website too....
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Thanks man! The short shifter would be nice as long as it doesn't void any kind of warranty. Will be holding off on the Malone tuning while the wife has possession of the car. If I end up inheriting it, I'll probably have it tuned.

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Is it the one from Dieselgeek?
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Nice looking car! FWIW we just had the "fix" done to the 14 Passat. Mileage is about the same, maybe has little less pep off the line but way better than the gutless 17 Passat gasser we had as a loaner vehicle. Had the AdBlue heater replaced under warranty, that has been the only issue we've had in 3yrs ownership. I do plan to ****** and tune once the extended warranty runs out.



Wish VW was still offering diesels. Checked out a new 2019 Jetta and if they offered it in a TDI I would have traded my 05 Jetta TDI on the spot!
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Old 01-14-2019, 06:53 PM
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Nice looking car! FWIW we just had the "fix" done to the 14 Passat. Mileage is about the same, maybe has little less pep off the line but way better than the gutless 17 Passat gasser we had as a loaner vehicle. Had the AdBlue heater replaced under warranty, that has been the only issue we've had in 3yrs ownership. I do plan to ****** and tune once the extended warranty runs out.



Wish VW was still offering diesels. Checked out a new 2019 Jetta and if they offered it in a TDI I would have traded my 05 Jetta TDI on the spot!
Thanks man! I appreciate you sharing your experience. That coincides with what I have been hearing on the phase 2 fix. A little less aggressive on the fueling down low to lower emissions. I am just blown away by the amount of grunt it has. I plan on getting that short shifter kit and stealing the car from the wife every chance I get!

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Yup that’s it, quality parts for sure. Easy to install and works awesome.
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VW still have the 10year body warranty against rust and other deteroriation(sp)? Nice looking grandma car!!

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Thanks! Lol! I'll have to look into that warranty.

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