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I have a 6 acre field on my hunting property that I plan to plant in soybeans next spring, just for the deer. Theyíll get planted and left probably until the next spring when they get plowed under and replanted....what the deer donít eat anyways. Iíve never messed with beans before, but am curious about planting. Can I broadcast them and cover with a packer, or barely run them over with a do-all? Or will I need to actually sow them? I have plenty of equipment, but itís all small scale aside from a heavy 10ft disc....everything else is sub 6ft. Do have an old 2 row planter, and although it would take all day long to stagger rows over that 6 acres, I can use that if Iíd have a better end product over just broadcasting. Are the Roundup Ready beans worth it? Or is there a better option? I donít want them to get overtaken by grass before the fall, but I also donít see the need to keep them perfectly clean either considering these wonít be for harvest.

I broke up about 2 acres of plots this fall with a 2 bottom breaker...like I said, all my stuff is small, but I will have the time to spend as much as needed to use small equipment in the spring.

There are two fields that size, and another closer to 20 acres, that used to get farmed in beans every year, but the deer completely ate them up, so the farmer just quit a few years ago b cause h was losing so much in yield. Now the closest ag land is a mile away, and my deer are traveling that to eat, passing a couple neighboring properties where the owners shoot anything that walks. Hard to pass bucks year to year to allow them to grow up when they get sniped by the neighbor. Trying to give them plenty of grub to hang around more. Iíll still have a couple other food plots to go with the beans....clover, oats, ect. The oats and brassicas I planted this fall are already ate down to dirt.


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For a food plot, I'd say work the dirt down and plant the beans on 30" rows, about 1 1/2" deep.
Come back behind the planter with a grass seeder across the field and broadcast a cover crop that likes shade, and done.
The beans should get established relatively quickly, and if you don't do everything "right" for the cover crop, it should lag behind enough for the beans to grow a canopy, which, in turn should benefit the cover crop.
If you aren't worried about yield, per se, that should give the deer a variety of food over the summer. As the beans dry off, the cover crop should persist quite late.
Skip the rr beans, imo. Waste of money for a food plot, as deer eat grass as a staple.
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Makes sense about the RR beans. I was just worried about grass overtaking the beans and choking them out so to speak. Figured I'd have to spray them at least once to keep that at bay.

Not sure I want to do a cover crop honestly. When it used to get farmed, deer would eat the upper 2 acres of that field to the ground before bow season opened. Looked like you went in with a mower and cut them off about 2" from the ground. Thinking I might need the volume, which I'd still get at 30" rows to a certain degree, but I'd really rather it be heavier than lighter if that makes sense. I will still have a few other non-crop food plots scattered around to give them options, as well as a couple grass fields that I will keep bushhogged down once a month most likely.

So broadcasting is a no go?

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Makes sense about the RR beans. I was just worried about grass overtaking the beans and choking them out so to speak. Figured I'd have to spray them at least once to keep that at bay.

Not sure I want to do a cover crop honestly. When it used to get farmed, deer would eat the upper 2 acres of that field to the ground before bow season opened. Looked like you went in with a mower and cut them off about 2" from the ground. Thinking I might need the volume, which I'd still get at 30" rows to a certain degree, but I'd really rather it be heavier than lighter if that makes sense. I will still have a few other non-crop food plots scattered around to give them options, as well as a couple grass fields that I will keep bushhogged down once a month most likely.

So broadcasting is a no go?

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Maybe ask a farmer to swing in with their grain drill and plant it for you quick??? No. Dont broadcast. Birds and vermin will have them picked off before they can grow.

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my old boss broadcast on one of his fields, then went over it lightly with a disc. Probably not the right way, but it grew in thick and made the deer happy.
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If I broadcast it, I'd end up covering it lightly one way or another. I wouldn't just leave it there on top of the ground to fatten up the birds.

Will probably just use that little 2 row planter and do it right. Stagger rows and put them at 15". Thought about doing the lower 1/4 in corn, but the coons would just wipe it out. We tried to plant sweet corn one year to harvest and never got a single ear off it, but did we ever have some fat coons running around!

I've been managing this place for 5 years now. I've only shot 2 bucks off it...one a big old 5pt, and the other an old 7pt. Getting pictures of really nice 8pts this year, most of which need a couple more years, but there are a couple older ones I have my eye on. Had some bad genetics there at first that have seemed to weed themselves out... and some trespassers, but that's been taken care of for the most part. I just need the crop planted to keep them in the area and try to stop all the long distance traveling.

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my old boss broadcast on one of his fields, then went over it lightly with a disc. Probably not the right way, but it grew in thick and made the deer happy.
Yeah. That would be ok..

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.....I might thread jack this later. I'm in a similar situation.

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However you get the seed in the ground, you'll be shooting for at least an inch deep. 1 1/2" would be better.
I'm not sure how soon you can get out in the dirt, or the dates for your deer season, but soys roughly take 85 days to mature. Having something green to keep the deers interest after the soys are done would be an advantage, depending on the timeframe that you'll be hunting.
Beans are very adaptable to abnormal conditions-poor planting, traffic, less than perfect ground preperation,etc, so you should accomplish what you trying to do, even if something doesn't work the way you think it should!
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For what you're doing I wouldn't be too worried with row spacing. The norm is starting to become solid seeded beans at a reduced population. I too would skip the rr, waste of money for what you're doing.broadcast and disk in would probably work. Seeds need to be an inch down. Another option is an old seed drill. They van be gotten cheap enough. I bought a 16 foot drill press last year that can be split down to 8 feet for scrap value and seeded a 125 acres with it this year no problem.
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Just broadcast some lespedeza or clover on it and be done, they will eat that just as fast as soybeans, hell they will eat about anything, that way you still have a usable pasture if you wanted to feed a calf or 2 out.
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I've been looking for a used drill all year. But used equipment around here still sells for gold. I can't justify spending $2000+ on a 8ft drill just to plant one field each year. I might try broadcasting them next spring and see how that goes.

You say optimum depth is 1.5"....what happens of they are covered too deep? Just like any other seed, they won't germinate?

Something I forgot...what about the seeds that's already been inoculated? Any benefits to those over just doing it myself before seeding?

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Our season runs Sept-early January. So if I planted mid April, that would get me all the april-may rains we usually have, then allow them to mature before the late August hot dry spell that's typical for us.

Deer are still going to beans now, almost every night. The one crop I mentioned is still standing because it's been too wet for the farmer to harvest. We have been getting rain ever 2-3 days for the past couple weeks.

Maybe I'm overthinking all this anyways. It's just as a food plot....if it doesn't come up solid, I'm just out the cost of seed. Not like I'm losing money on yield or something. But if I'm taking the time to do it, I want to do it right...given the resources I have anyways.

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Can definitely go deeper. Seen it done lots during dry spring to try and get the seed closer to moisture. To get any serious podding you will need inoculation. Ourselves we double inoculate our beans, once on the seed, and again in furrow with the planter.
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You might be better off with a perennial that deer love. Soybeans are a one shot deal.
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Much below 2", the ant can have trouble getting out of the dirt. Less than 1", and you run the risk of not enough moisture to get the seed to germinate. It takes about 50% of the seed weight in moisture to get the seed to germinate. Definitely inoculate the seed, either yourself, or buy it already treated. Much better results when the plant makes pods.
Old96stroker is on the same page with me, I think, with the clover thing.
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I get what you guys are suggesting with the clover. I already have 3 other green plots to help draw them. If I planted that 6 acres in clover, sure theyíd eat it, but they will still head down the road every night, every other night, to those beans. The deer on my place are accustomed to beans....it was planted there for years until the farmer backed out on the lease. If there are beans nearby, they are going to them no matter how much greenery I plant. Iím willing to replant the beans year after year. More than likely in the fall Iíd plow under a couple acres of the beans and plant a fall green plot there along side of it.

Not trying to sound like I donít appreciate the advice, but I know the deer on this property and they crave beans. I will still have a combined 2-3 acres of green plots planted spring and fall, away from this field I want in beans. I appreciate the input you guys are giving, but Iím not trying to come across like an ass by saying that field will be beans next spring.


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I didn't realize you had other green plots.
Thirty inch rows for beans would still accomplish what you after, I think, if you shoot for 70-80k plants/acre. Save you a few dollars on seed cost.
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Yes sir. I try to keep something planted year round for them. I didnít get my spring plots in this year though. I did two plots this fall in oats, which theyíve already eaten off at the ground, and a 3rd plot in a mix of clover/oats/brassicas/winter peas that they just started hitting pretty good. Just planning on overdoing the plots next spring when I add th beans.


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Good thread. I'm far, far from an expert, but If I had the money, I would love to get one of these. Would be perfect for woodlots and small open plots.

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I'm biased. Since I keep small ruminants, I am probably going to do a pure stand of lespediza (AU Grazer) in my wood lots. Does well in shade and low pH soils. Might have an impact on the growth potential of dear too if they also struggle with internal parasites.

Based on what I've read, clover seed shouldn't be planted deeper than 1/2" (maybe shallower than that). Relative to most grass seed, they seem to lack sufficient energy to grow up through soil if planted any deeper. I guess soybeans are different. That's why a precision drill that meters these mall seed correctly and also puts them at the right depth consistently is crucial.

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Yeah clover is recommended like 1/4" depth. I usually just try to plant my clover plots a day before they are calling for a good rain. Let the rain basically beat the seed into the ground. Has worked for me over the years, although maybe not the most efficient. I've used a piece of chain link as a drag before and that works ok at lightly covering. I keep saying I'm going to build a pull behind cultipacker for my smaller plots, but just haven't gotten around to it. Seen alot of plans and ideas of using a piece of ADS culvert pipe, filling with concrete, rod through the middle with bearings on either end. In theory that would work well at covering seed.

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Yeah clover is recommended like 1/4" depth. I usually just try to plant my clover plots a day before they are calling for a good rain. Let the rain basically beat the seed into the ground. Has worked for me over the years, although maybe not the most efficient. I've used a piece of chain link as a drag before and that works ok at lightly covering. I keep saying I'm going to build a pull behind cultipacker for my smaller plots, but just haven't gotten around to it. Seen alot of plans and ideas of using a piece of ADS culvert pipe, filling with concrete, rod through the middle with bearings on either end. In theory that would work well at covering seed.

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That's exactly how I do it. Just use a chain harrow to cover them. I think the birds hit them hard though. That's why I like the idea of using a drill. The cultipacker would be good for firming things up so they don't wash away on the first good rain. I have been thinking of building my own too. You check out that small drill in that video? Probably a little excessive, but it would still be cool to try one out.

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I put down red clover at half an inch depth at 5 ins an acre with the small seed attachment and cover cropped with oats. The clover was over the front rack of my polaris sportsman when it and the oats were silaged in august.
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I put down red clover at half an inch depth at 5 ins an acre with the small seed attachment and cover cropped with oats. The clover was over the front rack of my polaris sportsman when it and the oats were silaged in august.
That's awesome! I would love to get a Herd spreader for my Forman. Getting the correct rate with clover is a pain in the tail sometimes. I think I did 2 lbs an acre though which would make it much harder.



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