Anyone put a International 444e in a 7.3 powerstroke truck?

[giannid]

I may need an engine for my truck which is a 2001 model and I found a good running 7.3 out of a medium duty International truck? Are the blocks, injectors hpop the same? I know the computers are different but not sure what's the same on it and what I could use off of it. It's still in the running truck and they want $1500 for the complete engine pulled out and has under 100k on the clock. Wondering what I can use off of it.

 

[suprdzlduty]

Front cover, bell housing/rear cover, oil pan and pickup tube,hpop resivoir, fuel lines, driver side exhaust manifold is different too I think, oil cooler end caps...probably a few other small things, turbo is little different too. It will work just gonna have some parts swapping to do.

 

[giannid]

Suprdzduty, have you or anyone you know done the swap? I'm getting a lot of conflicting information on the swap. I've spent a few hours searching today and have heard swapping what you just mentioned to the internals are different and not interchangeable at all. A few places said the cam, head gaskets, injectors, hpop, crank and cam are different. I'd just like to really know of someone who's actually done the swap and knows what it takes. Hate to buy the engine and not be able to use it or worse put it in and it not run. They're are obvious things I know won't work by looking at it but the internals is what I'm worried about. Thanks

 

[Swsignal5]

I may need an engine for my truck which is a 2001 model and I found a good running 7.3 out of a medium duty International truck? Are the blocks, injectors hpop the same? I know the computers are different but not sure what's the same on it and what I could use off of it. It's still in the running truck and they want $1500 for the complete engine pulled out and has under 100k on the clock. Wondering what I can use off of it.

I believe it has a sae2 bell housing.

 

[giannid]

So the block is different if the bell housing is different or is there an adapter plate?

 

[02BigD]

Are the cams the same?

It would be cheaper\simplier to find a good forged rod engine out of a pickup and call it done. As mentioned, there are a lot of items to switch.

 

[giannid]

Finding a decent low mileage 7.3 powerstroke is not easy as you think as I've been looking. They still take a premium and most of them I can't hear run as they're already out of the truck. This one is running in the truck and was owned by a municipality with service records.

 

[02BigD]

Fair enough, but I'd be willing to bet someone on PSA can help find you a pickup engine in your area. There's a lot of helpful people here.

I am curious about the cam question. I know I've read it somewhere but don't recall off hand.

 

[suprdzlduty]

I've not done a 7.3 but have done a 6.0 out of a ih. I know guts are not different. Block is the same. That's on both motors. it would definitely be a project, is your motor not rebuildable?

 

[giannid]

My motor is rebuildable but I go a quote from a local rebuilder for $5000 just for the long block. Seems like a lot of money if I can get a good used one like this one out of the international that came from a municipality with service records. I don't mind unbolting stuff, but I just don't want to get into removing heads and messing with the valve train. If it's just externals I don't mind. I probably want rebuilt injectors and hpop on it anyways as my hpop off my motor is weak.

 

[ghohouston]

T444e's have the mechanical fuel pump in the valley, so they have the extra lobe, lIke an obs, otherwise, yes, same lift, duration, etc. I'd go ahead and buy the damn thing for 1500. Everything good on your motor is easy enough to swap over, especially while both engines are out in the open. And to clarify, 100 percent yes, the t444e will fit. You will not have to do anything to the heads or valve train. Swap your injectors, and button the valve covers back up.

 

[psduser1]

There's a long block for sale in the classifieds, fairly reasonable.

 

[giannid]

Ghohouston, have you or someone you know done the swap with success? I'm just reading a lot of conflicting information on the swap and I'm not sure if it's from people that actually know or just heard. It's a lot of work to do any engine swap and hate to think if I get this thing in my truck and it won't run right. I even heard the head gaskets are different because the International runs at lower rpm which is strange. It's like do the rods stretch at higher rpms? Just strange

 

[giannid]

I also wouldn't buy a used engine unless I could hear it run myself. Just way too much risk time to stuff an engine in a truck and not know if it was good. People are funny these days unfortunately.

 

[powerlifter405]

OP,

Gohohouston works on these for a living so his info is probably pretty good. Also FWIW, quit pegging your thread w/ the same question the answers won't change. Some will say it's hard, others will say completely different and others will say exactly what Houston and I'm saying. And the HG thing?? Really???

IH gives the motor to ford, ford installs their pulleys, alternators, etc, etc, but the block it's self is identical. Someone mentioned "a project" and I'd argue far from it. What is "a project" about it I'm not sure but I've pulled a 7.3 before and it's pretty straight forward. Any half ass monkey or beer swiggin fool can have the motor out in a single day.

You know that nearly every part on that 7.3 can cross reference back and forth between ford and IH? Ford has a few Ford specific things but you're making this a lot harder than it needs to be. Do some googlin.

And, here I did some googlin for you http://www.thedieselstop.com/faq/9497faq/download.php3

http://www.thedieselstop.com/faq/9497faq/download/2003EngineQuickRefrenceGuide.pdf

 

[ghohouston]

Ghohouston, have you or someone you know done the swap with success? I'm just reading a lot of conflicting information on the swap and I'm not sure if it's from people that actually know or just heard. It's a lot of work to do any engine swap and hate to think if I get this thing in my truck and it won't run right. I even heard the head gaskets are different because the International runs at lower rpm which is strange. It's like do the rods stretch at higher rpms? Just strange

You're overthinking this imo. The t444e and 7.3 are the same block, same heads, same crank, rods, valves, lifters, etc. The only difference is one extra cam lobe on the t444e because it has a mechanical fuel pump, just like the 94-97 7.3's. Simple, remove pump, install freeze plug just like the obs guys do when they swap to e fuel. It really isn't much work to swap parts over. You could do it in a weekend if you have everything, and a helper. What would a different head gasket have to do with anything? It's probably internationals head gasket, or the same makemaker as a 7.3 hg, rebranded as international.

 

[powerlifter405]

You're overthinking this imo. The t444e and 7.3 are the same block, same heads, same crank, rods, valves, lifters, etc. The only difference is one extra cam lobe on the t444e because it has a mechanical fuel pump, just like the 94-97 7.3's. Simple, remove pump, install freeze plug just like the obs guys do when they swap to e fuel. It really isn't much work to swap parts over. You could do it in a weekend if you have everything, and a helper. What would a different head gasket have to do with anything? It's probably internationals head gasket, or the same makemaker as a 7.3 hg, rebranded as international.

But "it's a project" LOL

 

[giannid]

I agree about the head gasket but I did read they were thinner in the international application. Didn't make any sense to me but I hear it a few times. Yes, it's a project but I'm sure I can handle it.

 

[ghohouston]

I agree about the head gasket but I did read they were thinner in the international application. Didn't make any sense to me but I hear it a few times. Yes, it's a project but I'm sure I can handle it.

I'd do the swap personally. Unless you're planning on big h.p numbers, you won't even have to worry about a blown head gasket. Even if you are, stud it one at a time, and you will be fine.

 

[giannid]

She's just a work truck and reliability and stock power is good enough. My other one is the toy.