anyone thought of running ball bearing?

smokinstroker · Nov 17, 2011

after seeing a few videos online and looking around on some tuner forums i wonder why more guys dont run ball bearing. they seem to spin alot easier.
i.e. faster spool up correct?

http://youtu.be/U5kQdsHxV_E

http://youtu.be/HFGC5BaHJeI

JAP · Nov 17, 2011

People do run them... They're just more expensive.

obspsd · Nov 17, 2011

They also cost more $$$$$ and aren't rebuildable, but if you got the money they are nice

smokinstroker · Nov 17, 2011

i guess i should rephrase and say more of us 6.0 guys who have a hard time spooling a large charger.

as for rebuilds? why wouldnt they be rebuildable?

wetnsloppy4x · Nov 17, 2011

JAP said:
People do run them... They're just more expensive.

That and there doesn't seem to be as many options with ball bearing turbos. The Powermax is a good example. An off the shelf powermax for many applications is bb, where the 6.0 powermax is not.

That aside, it would be real easy to get 10k into a bb compound setup for turbos alone.

obspsd said:
They also cost more $$$$$ and aren't rebuildable, but if you got the money they are nice

That might apply to an isolated few models, but I don't think that applies to the majority. To say "no bb turbos are rebulidable" would not be an accurate statement. Where are you getting that info?

SSpeeDEMONSS · Nov 17, 2011

i know of some Garretts that arent rebuildable.

Garrett

Cat_rebel · Nov 17, 2011

smokinstroker said:
i guess i should rephrase and say more of us 6.0 guys who have a hard time spooling a large charger.

Mooringproduct ran (runs?) a Garrett GT4088R & a few others have as well with mixed results. Check with Chris at Truck Source Diesel, he has done a few as well.

SSpeeDEMONSS said:
i know of some Garretts that arent rebuildable.

Garrett

So are you saying that we aren't rebuildable?

LOL

smokinstroker · Nov 17, 2011

Cat_rebel said:
Mooringproduct ran (runs?) a Garrett GT4088R & a few others have as well with mixed results. Check with Chris at Truck Source Diesel, he has done a few as well.

used to work with truck source on my truck a while back. from what i know they tried a garrett on one 6.0 and it didn't work out (monstars truck) been there done that with them.

just seems like with the ease of spool up with a ball bearing unit you may be able to run a larger charger and light it easier with better street manners.

not ready to jump on this whole batmowheel bandwagon yet.

Cutting-Edge Diesel · Nov 17, 2011

I run a 70mm precision billet bb turbo with a set up. Spool up is instant but it has a procharger before it. Always wanted to try a 66 as a single but dang they are expensive.

smokinstroker · Nov 17, 2011

Cutting-Edge Diesel said:
I run a 70mm precision billet bb turbo with a set up. Spool up is instant but it has a procharger before it. Always wanted to try a 66 as a single but dang they are expensive.

ballpark price?

Cutting-Edge Diesel · Nov 17, 2011

Can't remember exactly but I think 2600 just for the turbo.

strokin6L · Nov 18, 2011

just to give ya a close figure...here's a Precision 62mm dual ball bearing turbo that Black Widow Diesel sells
http://www.shop.blackwidowdiesel.com/product.sc?productId=632&categoryId=214

smokinstroker · Nov 18, 2011

coming from that posting, (yes i know its black widow so bare with me) "This unit makes 30+ PSI with stock injectors, and will make boost as low as 1500 RPM with a street tune.) 1500rpm is pretty damn impressive.

strokin6L · Nov 18, 2011

smokinstroker said:
coming from that posting, (yes i know its rcd so bare with me) "This unit makes 30+ PSI with stock injectors, and will make boost as low as 1500 RPM with a street tune.) 1500rpm is pretty damn impressive.

wrong....it's Black Widow Diesel not RCD

Pizza pig · Nov 18, 2011

2600 really isnt bad if it spools that quickly for a single. Im assuming BWD's price for that turbo is just the turbo no pedestal or anything.

motoxracer42 · Nov 18, 2011

Its like 2600 or so for a gtx or precision. A standard gt3788r it what i would start with. Should spool nicely and make more power than a pmax because of the better turbine wheel. They arent priced bad.

6.0dirtworker · Nov 18, 2011

Im pretty sure this is a 42 dual ball bearing. If it doesn't work, try the link.

YouTube Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=zBKsgjG4R28

Pizza pig · Nov 18, 2011

I hate the way garret specs their turbos,

I wonder how the Precision PT6765 would spool up

67/65/.63 T3 housing... drive pressure might be an issue with that small of a housing but they do offer a T3 .82 housing but I think that may be too big,but with the small 65 wheel and the nature of the dual ball bearing it may be workable as is.

any insight on this?

motoxracer42 · Nov 18, 2011

Gt42 is a pretty large frame. That would be at least 68mm inducer on the comp side. I dont think hicktown ran that big of charger but i may be wrong. thats slow to spool on a 7.3 lol. All of garretts turbine sizing is inducer. U take that and the trim to find exducer but they arent comparable to bw at all. Turbine flow is way different.