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Message: [QUOTE="Breaking Habits, post: 1340312, member: 5046"] I have spent quite some time with different set ups comparing the advantages and disadvantages. This started in 2009 when I wanted a set of bars for my 6.4 that would take the abuse I put them through. Thats when I reached out to DC and Marty @ Truck Toyz. I was a customer before I was ever even a part of the company. During these years I've been able to observe through the sidelines and first hand experience what does/doesn't work, and most of all, why. I wouldn't say I've put specifically a PMF traction bar owner to shame. I would rather educate the end user to understand why something is reacting a certain way or in most circumstances isn't doing what it is supposed. I'd rather educate the end user than to look like an asshole. The fork lift test is pretty simple. We've done it over the years on many different trucks in order to show that there is never a limitation throughout the range of compression or droop. The biggest issue is no other company has a frame mount that performs as well as ours. A shackle cannot pivot how our mount does, and when one side is lifted different than the other, many "competitors products" will either break the bar, frame mount, or axle mount, and literally just come apart. The key thing people talk about is flex, where as my argument lies strictly with articulation. And in specific, not limiting it. Rich, I'd like to address something, just in conversation, for conversations sake. One of my dearest and oldest friends helped you put shocks on the rear of your truck when you were visiting IL last year. When you guys went to put the rear shocks on your truck, it was noted that your rear suspension creaked and wouldn't full droop out, and that you actually had to lift the shocks up (which were for the height of your truck) just to get them into the mounts. Now, again, I am asking in conversational terms. Did you ever consider that the rear end was binding up? That something was physically limiting the travel of the rear end and leaf springs from fully drooping down to maximum extension? I know you opted not to disconnect the bars and to see if the rear end would droop anymore. I really just want to know your thoughts. Mainly for the sake of conversation, that I just put a set of those fox reservoir shocks on the front and rear of my 2015 with One Up Offroad Traction Blocks, and they went right in. No lift, no jack, just pushed them down and bolted them. Again, I don't want this to be taken as an attack, because its not. I'm looking for an open conversation. [/QUOTE]