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Message: [QUOTE="m j, post: 689120, member: 9848"] kind of a pointless discussion.... so far you have stated you burn the transmission down you have not mentioned any breakage of the transmission components that should see torque. no mention of shredding teeth off of the counter or speed gears, or snapping shafts. 800ftlb is not a large number 18speeds handle 2000ftlb +. driven a lot of miles at 140000#. the motor rotating assembly is the biggest mass that has to change speed when shifting not much mass in a transmission that changes speed. input shaft, countershaft, speed gears. less mass to alter then an auto. less parasitic loss then an auto. class 2 - 7 trucks have always had absolute junk for transmissions. people that spec those trucks buy the cheapest crap available. you get no power and the fewest number of transmission gears. it has been the only market allison has been able to survive in for decades. they have been trying to get in to class 8 the whole time but previous to now no one would waste their time with an auto. I have driven a brand new Western Star dump truck with an allison, what a POS. the amount of throttle input takes to maneouver around a job site is pathetic. the fat slob that destroys every clutch brake in the fleet loves it though. [/QUOTE]

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