Cat_rebel
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I know it will bolt in but don't know if it needs a solenoid pack swaped. Anyone have any input on this?
4r100 into OBS what needs to be changed?
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Mark Kovalsky
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The torque converter lockup solenoid is different. I think it will work with your controller, but there is an orifice in the 4R100 that is large, while it's about 0.040" in the E4OD. What this means is that when the PCM commands the torque converter to lock the solenoid will switch on and the converter will lock RIGHT NOW. Stock they come on much smoother. The orifice is in the pump body if I remember correctly. I don't have a diagram to check that.
Powerstroked162
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You'll need to swap pumps for a non-PWM pump out of an E40D.
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What are you going to control the trans with Cat the stock PMC of an aftermarket one?
Marty
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Call Brian at BTS, I've ran this by him, he has it figured it out how you can switch it back and forth.
IE: guys with OBS trucks will buy 4R and put it in. A few years later, sell the truck and put the 4r in the superduty they buy.
IE: guys with OBS trucks will buy 4R and put it in. A few years later, sell the truck and put the 4r in the superduty they buy.
Powerstroked162
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Only if they are using a PCS. Otherwise, they are tearing into the transmission to swap parts between years
Cat_rebel
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Hoping to get it to run of my stock PCM, I know it's been done before. Although the thought of a PCS is so tempting.
Cat_rebel
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So where would one go about getting a solenoid? I assume the pump mod can be done with a used E4OD (assuming the parts spec out) & a trans-go Tugger kit. Anyone have a ball park on the total cost? Trying to weigh that vrs just spending the coin & doing a PCS & leaving the 4r100 how it is.
superduty4x4
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From my limited knowledge, you have to re-pin the PCM connection and run an SD pcm because the 4R has one extra sensor the E4 does not (output shaft speed? can't remember now).
TRUBBS
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I remember hearing something like this when this subject was being talked about on psn
Cat_rebel
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I don't buy that, I've seen OBS guys with 4r100s in their trucks since 06 or longer & never heard anything about re pinning a PCM. From what I understood you just left the sensors unplugged.
superduty4x4
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You know, you're right, I'm getting ahead of myself. You can run the 4R in an OBS just fine, not the other way around because of the lack of the additional sensor.
So, I'm of no help and I'll STFU now
Powerstroked162
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You know, you're right, I'm getting ahead of myself. You can run the 4R in an OBS just fine, not the other way around because of the lack of the additional sensor.
So, I'm of no help and I'll STFU now
You boys put your thinking caps on here for a second and pick up what Im gonna put down for you
A 4r cannot be ran in an OBS truck or on an OBS PCM without internal parts swapping. A Pulse Width Modulated pump cannot function properly without..... A Pulse Width signal. Secondly, the solenoid pack must be changed out as well to its counter parts setup. It was explained to me exactly "why" at one point but its far to early in the morning to recall lol
Now, if you desire to NOT swap internal parts over and keep the 4r's form.... then you will need to swap to a SD PCM for it to function properly, or some type of controller such as a PCS. The SD PCM, as mentioned above, requires the main engine harness to be re-pinned, which isn't exactly my idea of "fun". Sooooo.... If you want a 4r, my advice would be to spend the coin and grab a controller
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Mark,
The 4r100 pump for diesel trucks has no orifice at all. The E4OD uses one--correct. There are other internal and external design differences in the 4r100 pumps including an added internal vent. It's worm tracks are completely different also. The castings physical size is different, it has extra ribbing for strength and 1 more internal bolt 99.9 percent of the e4od pumps do not have.
Some very late production 1997 F 350 diesel trucks and early 1998 E series diesel vans with E4OD's do have the extra internal pump bolt.
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You boys put your thinking caps on here for a second and pick up what Im gonna put down for you
A 4r cannot be ran in an OBS truck or on an OBS PCM without internal parts swapping. A Pulse Width Modulated pump cannot function properly without..... A Pulse Width signal. Secondly, the solenoid pack must be changed out as well to its counter parts setup. It was explained to me exactly "why" at one point but its far to early in the morning to recall lol
Now, if you desire to NOT swap internal parts over and keep the 4r's form.... then you will need to swap to a SD PCM for it to function properly, or some type of controller such as a PCS. The SD PCM, as mentioned above, requires the main engine harness to be re-pinned, which isn't exactly my idea of "fun". Sooooo.... If you want a 4r, my advice would be to spend the coin and grab a controller
Good post, Powerstroked162.
We have done the conversions needed to put 4R100's into our customers 92 - 97 old body style trucks with gas and diesel engines many times.
The cooler lines also must be adapted to, or replaced with the larger size lines used on 4R100's. That's one thing no one has mentioned.
No need for the controller unless it's what you want Garrett.
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Mark Kovalsky
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The 4R100 has two sensors that your PCM won't read. That's not a problem. The PCM doesn't need those sensors, you can just ignore them.
You should be able to get the solenoid at any auto parts store, trans shop, or Ford dealer.
You should be able to get the solenoid at any auto parts store, trans shop, or Ford dealer.
So would a 5/97 built truck have the pump and if so is it really all that important?
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I have had a 4r100 in my truck since 06 only thing done to it was pump mods PI converter and a few VB mods (SONNAX parts) truck shifts like I want it to.
All the naysayer crap about sensors and repining is just that crap. Im still running a TDE 1 processor !
This truck has had Dp tuners on it and now sports wildman tunes and runs like a striped assed ape !
Oh yeah this particular 4r is a PTO trans that was purchased off Ebay it also has a ford reman tag on it !
All the naysayer crap about sensors and repining is just that crap. Im still running a TDE 1 processor !
This truck has had Dp tuners on it and now sports wildman tunes and runs like a striped assed ape !
Oh yeah this particular 4r is a PTO trans that was purchased off Ebay it also has a ford reman tag on it !
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