What's the least expensive way out for a dual fuel setup? The amount of parts involved in making one of these setups looks like maybe $200 worth of parts. There's got to be someone fabricating these for way less than 2 grand.. any tips?
Cheapest way out for dual fuel
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ncollins64
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Don't cheap out. Go with a tried and true setup, h&s, Midwest, Sideaction, elite etc. A lot of r&d goes into this stuff to make good quality.
sideactiondiesel
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Make a nice plywood one on your 50K truck.
It takes a lot of money to have ppl draw,machine,fabricate,and engineer these pieces to make your vehicle perform and NOT cause damage to your Truck. You will also need calibrations to support such a modification because If you want to do it the cheap way the factory pump puts out 55-65 psi on the low side. Well the CP3 regulator was never meant to have this amount of supply pressure to it causing the regulator to push open and causing the pressure circuit to feed more volume..
So now you should also ask your tuner to do it for cheaper because hell he can just adjust a table and be done with it right?? Not to mention the Days and sometimes weeks it takes to make a calibration work for such an application.. So his/her Intellect isn't worth their time either ???
Now I am NOT picking on just you here ! This is to EVERYONE that has this mind set!!! Trying to give you some insight on what goes on to really offer GOOD QUALITY" I REPEAT GOOD QUALITY ENGINEERED PRODUCTS". Then make a run of them because none of the machine shops want to set up for just one piece.......not to mention to sit on Product that you have packaged boxed engineered and spent money on to sit on your shelf to have someone say that some products ready to ship... are not worth the money.... Come on man just give it a lil thought
Thank you Nate !
I was really hoping for some more useful answers.
I had no idea.. I feel really bad for the companies holding onto stockpiles of inventory. I wonder how much inventory would fly off the shelves if they sold at 150% or 200% markup instead of 300% or more. I'd buy one for $1000 right now.
The cost of the commercial products available made me consider building my own for somewhere around 1/4 the price. I figured there must be someone out there who's already making them in there garage that might have some insight or maybe even offer something that they've made. Sorry to have struck a nerve but the products don't really show a lot of value for the money based on the parts involved.
I had no idea.. I feel really bad for the companies holding onto stockpiles of inventory. I wonder how much inventory would fly off the shelves if they sold at 150% or 200% markup instead of 300% or more. I'd buy one for $1000 right now.
The cost of the commercial products available made me consider building my own for somewhere around 1/4 the price. I figured there must be someone out there who's already making them in there garage that might have some insight or maybe even offer something that they've made. Sorry to have struck a nerve but the products don't really show a lot of value for the money based on the parts involved.
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then build it in your garage , yourself ! or... get a shop and pay employees to build and answer phones, and pay rent , then get insurance, and build quantity so it's in stock when your customer orders, and be sure it works RIGHT.
as for you markup comments, wow, everyone would be rich by now. these are the products that make the least amount of markup and have the HIGHEST amount of customer support.
forcefed6.4ford
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Well then by all means build your own. Keep us updated on how well it works.
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ThreeFitty
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Bust out the plasma cutter, CNC, and other tools to build your own setup then bud, if you think its so easy that you can bust some kits out in the garage. These companies spend a lot of time and coin to engineer and build these things, then test them, then provide support when people have trouble after the fact. Not sure who you would call though after your homemade setup destroys the fuel system.
Also don't think you know a damn thing about business if you think any of these dudes are marking up stuff by 300%, that is straight up crazy talk. Get educated before you spew garbage as fact on here
Also don't think you know a damn thing about business if you think any of these dudes are marking up stuff by 300%, that is straight up crazy talk. Get educated before you spew garbage as fact on here
As I understand it bigrpowr you are a reseller not a manufacturer of the kits. I can see how the markup from your end of things is limited by whatever distribution allows you buy at as the manufacturers are pretty well fixing prices.
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yep , they fix them at a profit margin that makes sense for themselves and their dealers. not insane profit. it costs money to run a business, not just the actual cost of making the parts as you have deduced.
Spatel23
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this just isnt for you, buy something else.
If you think a duel fuel setup is priced "too high", wth do you think you are going to do for the other parts ??
Intermediate shafts etc. in a transmission shouldn't cost $5-900 should they ?
They are afterall, just metal poles right ?
this just isnt for you, buy something else.
If you think a duel fuel setup is priced "too high", wth do you think you are going to do for the other parts ??
Intermediate shafts etc. in a transmission shouldn't cost $5-900 should they ?
They are afterall, just metal poles right ?
PrecisionEngine
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Profit margins can be low when quantity is high. However you want to look at it, this is a small group of enthusiasts: there isn't hundreds of thousands of people buying these kits.
The vendors here, alone, are worth however high you "think" the markup is.
Best of luck.
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The vendors here, alone, are worth however high you "think" the markup is.
Best of luck.
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a transmission is pretty decent for comparison actually.. You can purchase a brand new transmission for $3500 it weighs 3-400lbs and has far more moving components and a crap ton more engineering behind it than the frigging plumbing and mounting bracket they attach to an already designed and engineered pump.
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just build your own , you have it all figured out !
powerstroked08
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Do you have a clue as to how much a cell phone is marked up? If you did you would shut up about this bullsh!t and carry on. And I bet you have a cell phone.
Codydiesel
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Alright if you think that dual fuel kits are so insanely over priced I will lay out the cost it would take to do it yourself.
•Your gonna need a cp3 pump that's $1000ish new
•Next would be a thick steel plate for the bracket $100
•Now to have the plate plasma cnc cut $100-$200
•Paint/coat the bracket $50
•Cp3 pulley $150 from h&s since if you had a shop make one it would be double that
•High pressure line from pump to rail $100x2 since you'll most likely split one at some point
•Machined fitting to go in the rail $50
•Fittings on the pump $50
•Bolts and spacers to attach the bracket $75
•Fuel hose to supply/return pump $20
•Connectors to control the cp3 and wiring $30
•Misc parts hoseclamps,fittings,connectors,tiedownes $50
•Fuel driving around collecting parts and going the machinists $70
The low end of that came out to $1945
You can go cheaper with a reman or used cp3 pump but then your risking a $3,500-5,000 fuel system.
At that price your only saving yourself $800 compared to a h&s, but now you have no support or help if something fails. Yes stuff does happen and fail when running rail psi at 29k it's puts a harsh toll on parts.
Now on the positive side I'm all for people trying to do things themselves and asking for help. Just don't come in sideways and think companies are making a killing off of dual fuel.
•Your gonna need a cp3 pump that's $1000ish new
•Next would be a thick steel plate for the bracket $100
•Now to have the plate plasma cnc cut $100-$200
•Paint/coat the bracket $50
•Cp3 pulley $150 from h&s since if you had a shop make one it would be double that
•High pressure line from pump to rail $100x2 since you'll most likely split one at some point
•Machined fitting to go in the rail $50
•Fittings on the pump $50
•Bolts and spacers to attach the bracket $75
•Fuel hose to supply/return pump $20
•Connectors to control the cp3 and wiring $30
•Misc parts hoseclamps,fittings,connectors,tiedownes $50
•Fuel driving around collecting parts and going the machinists $70
The low end of that came out to $1945
You can go cheaper with a reman or used cp3 pump but then your risking a $3,500-5,000 fuel system.
At that price your only saving yourself $800 compared to a h&s, but now you have no support or help if something fails. Yes stuff does happen and fail when running rail psi at 29k it's puts a harsh toll on parts.
Now on the positive side I'm all for people trying to do things themselves and asking for help. Just don't come in sideways and think companies are making a killing off of dual fuel.
PDT1081
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And that's if your design for the bracket works the first time. How many times have the kits being sold been redesigned/revised?
Codydiesel
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Yeah I could imagine they made a few brackets to make it sit just how they wanted. I know h&s had updated parts a few times when it came to the high pressure line and fittings due to quality issues from suppliers. As far as I know everytime they had a issue they made it right with the customer.
Monotalonawd
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And seeing how elite kit sale for $2100 it is not even worth it to risk fabricating your own
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