Do not recommend Choate Engineering

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In March of 2024 I broke the crankshaft in my 6.6l Duramax motor in my 2015 Silverado. I ended up buying a long block motor from Choate Engineering in Bolivar, Tn., because I had a buddy that knew the owner, Cass Choate, and he spoke highly of him. I prefer to support the little guys anyway, so I went with his recommendation. Choate Engineering offers 3 motors for my truck, with the middle option offering a 5yr/100,000 mile warranty, versus a much lesser warranty if I went with the cheaper engine, so I went with the middle price and hired a reputable shop, HCS Auto Repair, to do the install. I will add here that the steps and processes Choate required to get the warranty during the installation, was insane. It required tons of pictures, videos, and special processes that took extra time that I paid for, but to get the warranty, we felt it was worth it. The installing shop told me they'd never seen such a long list of steps required by a manufacture and I had to pay $150/hr for the extra time they took to do this, but again, I felt it was worth it for the warranty.

Keep in mind, my truck is a daily driver that never gets worked. The heaviest load it's ever pulled is a 20’ equipment trailer that might weigh 2500 pounds hauling a 2200 pound UTV. For a diesel, that is not even breathing hard. It's creampuff that I keep extreme care of. I am anal with it's condition and cleanliness.

Fast forward now to January 25th, 2025, less than a year into my warranty and approx. 10,000 miles on the new Choate motor. I'm pulling my trailer and buggy when the over temp alarm went off. I look at the gauge and it's climbing to 250ish degrees. (Keep in mind, this is the coolant inside the motor, not the motor temp) This is also the first time the motor has ever overheated. I pull over and shut the truck off within 20 seconds. A friend that was with me, who is a good friend of Cass Choate, owner of Choate Engineering, calls him to ask what we should do. Cass had us check a few things and he suspected it might be a bad coolant reservoir cap. He told my buddy to tell me not to worry and that they’d take care of me since the motor was under warranty. So after the the truck cooled down, we carefully drove it to the next auto parts store and purchase a new reservoir cap, installed it, and finished driving home. When I got home, there was coolant blown out on the reservoir again, so I know it was something else.

Now I'm thinking the actual coolant reservoir itself is cracked, so I drove to Orielly’s and purchased a brand new reservoir kit for $225ish, and went back home and installed it. After I got it back up to temp, it started blowing coolant back out of the cap again. I got frustrated and went to bed.

The next day, I had my brother-in-law take a look at it, who is a master mechanic. He couldn’t find any leak in it other than the pressure build up that was forcing coolant out of the reservoir cap onto the engine and thought maybe it had a blown head gasket. So, he told me to take it back to the shop that installed the motor, HCS Automotive.

HCS mechanics ran some tests on it and concluded it was either the EGR cooler or a blown head gasket. My truck is “deleted”, so the EGR cooler isn’t even hooked up. So, they tore down to the heads and found that indeed, it was a blown head gasket. Both the shop manager and my service advisor told me they found loose head bolts when they removed my heads, as well as a couple other red flags. (I'm no mechanic and I can't recall exactly what the others were, so to be accurate I'll just leave it there) HCS also said the heat tabs, as shown in the pictures, looked brand new.

I had been in contact with the Choate warranty department during this time, and up to this point they’d told me they would only cover $50/hr for 20.6 book hours if it was a blown head gasket. I argued with them and told them that was a weak warranty because the shop rate alone on a diesel motor at HCS was $150/hr. After calling Cass Choate, he finally conceded that he'd offer $75/hr, but I would have to ship the heads back to Choate in Tennessee to be inspected, on my dime.

This is around 6 weeks into this process now and I have been without a truck this whole time. Choate had already shown zero sense of urgency in their responses and I was concerned this was going to drag out far too long if I continued on. The warranty department had sent me an email asking me to return the entire long block at one point, even. I was so frustrated with everything that I told HCS to forget the warranty, I’ll pay for it myself since Choate was offering to pay so little anyways, and just to have the heads inspected locally and put my motor back together. I then emailed Choate warranty department about my decision to bypass their substandard warranty.

The next day HCS notified me that the machine shop they use to work on these heads had ran tests that showed both heads were cracked. So, I notified Choate warranty department that we would in fact now be using the warranty after-all because the issue just got bigger. I told them I refused to pay freight on the heads as well, and they finally agreed to setup freight on their own dime.

When the heads got back to Choate, they did jump right on them, and after a couple of days, emailed me that they did not find any cracks in the heads whatsoever, but did confirm the head gasket was blown. So, they "o-ringed" the heads, replaced the head gaskets, and shipped the heads back to HCS.

Now this is concerning. I have a local reputable machine shop that swears both heads are cracked, and the manufacture that tells me they're not. Who do I believe? To be honest, I'm scared to death of this motor. The motor, installation, and now this future bill that I'm fixing to have to pay because of their weak warranty is going to put me around $26,000 deep on this. I can't afford to keep throwing money at it.

So, now I've decided I'm going to immediately put the truck up for sale and buy a new 2025 with the 6.6l gas motor. I'm done with diesel motors.

Yesterday I sent Choate warranty department an email asking how to go about getting reimbursed for the 20.6/hrs x $75/hr that totals $1,545 dollars. They responded with an email stating: We found no evidence of a manufacturer’s defect or cause of failure with your cylinder heads so there wouldn’t be any labor payout. No one from Choate has contacted the shop doing the work and I can't get a return phone call.

A blown head-gasket in less that 10,000 miles, and they are going to make me pay for it. Would not a blown head-gasket in itself be a factory issue? Especially 10,000 miles into a 5yr/100,000 warranty?

As of now, I have now contacted an attorney and will go broke over principle alone trying to recoup a minuscule $1,545 just to keep them honest.

I absolutely would not purchase from them again. Look up other customer reviews like I should have before I made a decision. There are far too many stories just like mine.
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In March of 2024 I broke the crankshaft in my 6.6l Duramax motor in my 2015 Silverado. I ended up buying a long block motor from Choate Engineering in Bolivar, Tn., because I had a buddy that knew the owner, Cass Choate, and he spoke highly of him. I prefer to support the little guys anyway, so I went with his recommendation. Choate Engineering offers 3 motors for my truck, with the middle option offering a 5yr/100,000 mile warranty, versus a much lesser warranty if I went with the cheaper engine, so I went with the middle price and hired a reputable shop, HCS Auto Repair, to do the install. I will add here that the steps and processes Choate required to get the warranty during the installation, was insane. It required tons of pictures, videos, and special processes that took extra time that I paid for, but to get the warranty, we felt it was worth it. The installing shop told me they'd never seen such a long list of steps required by a manufacture and I had to pay $150/hr for the extra time they took to do this, but again, I felt it was worth it for the warranty.

Keep in mind, my truck is a daily driver that never gets worked. The heaviest load it's ever pulled is a 20’ equipment trailer that might weigh 2500 pounds hauling a 2200 pound UTV. For a diesel, that is not even breathing hard. It's creampuff that I keep extreme care of. I am anal with it's condition and cleanliness.

Fast forward now to January 25th, 2025, less than a year into my warranty and approx. 10,000 miles on the new Choate motor. I'm pulling my trailer and buggy when the over temp alarm went off. I look at the gauge and it's climbing to 250ish degrees. (Keep in mind, this is the coolant inside the motor, not the motor temp) This is also the first time the motor has ever overheated. I pull over and shut the truck off within 20 seconds. A friend that was with me, who is a good friend of Cass Choate, owner of Choate Engineering, calls him to ask what we should do. Cass had us check a few things and he suspected it might be a bad coolant reservoir cap. He told my buddy to tell me not to worry and that they’d take care of me since the motor was under warranty. So after the the truck cooled down, we carefully drove it to the next auto parts store and purchase a new reservoir cap, installed it, and finished driving home. When I got home, there was coolant blown out on the reservoir again, so I know it was something else.

Now I'm thinking the actual coolant reservoir itself is cracked, so I drove to Orielly’s and purchased a brand new reservoir kit for $225ish, and went back home and installed it. After I got it back up to temp, it started blowing coolant back out of the cap again. I got frustrated and went to bed.

The next day, I had my brother-in-law take a look at it, who is a master mechanic. He couldn’t find any leak in it other than the pressure build up that was forcing coolant out of the reservoir cap onto the engine and thought maybe it had a blown head gasket. So, he told me to take it back to the shop that installed the motor, HCS Automotive.

HCS mechanics ran some tests on it and concluded it was either the EGR cooler or a blown head gasket. My truck is “deleted”, so the EGR cooler isn’t even hooked up. So, they tore down to the heads and found that indeed, it was a blown head gasket. Both the shop manager and my service advisor told me they found loose head bolts when they removed my heads, as well as a couple other red flags. (I'm no mechanic and I can't recall exactly what the others were, so to be accurate I'll just leave it there) HCS also said the heat tabs, as shown in the pictures, looked brand new.

I had been in contact with the Choate warranty department during this time, and up to this point they’d told me they would only cover $50/hr for 20.6 book hours if it was a blown head gasket. I argued with them and told them that was a weak warranty because the shop rate alone on a diesel motor at HCS was $150/hr. After calling Cass Choate, he finally conceded that he'd offer $75/hr, but I would have to ship the heads back to Choate in Tennessee to be inspected, on my dime.

This is around 6 weeks into this process now and I have been without a truck this whole time. Choate had already shown zero sense of urgency in their responses and I was concerned this was going to drag out far too long if I continued on. The warranty department had sent me an email asking me to return the entire long block at one point, even. I was so frustrated with everything that I told HCS to forget the warranty, I’ll pay for it myself since Choate was offering to pay so little anyways, and just to have the heads inspected locally and put my motor back together. I then emailed Choate warranty department about my decision to bypass their substandard warranty.

The next day HCS notified me that the machine shop they use to work on these heads had ran tests that showed both heads were cracked. So, I notified Choate warranty department that we would in fact now be using the warranty after-all because the issue just got bigger. I told them I refused to pay freight on the heads as well, and they finally agreed to setup freight on their own dime.

When the heads got back to Choate, they did jump right on them, and after a couple of days, emailed me that they did not find any cracks in the heads whatsoever, but did confirm the head gasket was blown. So, they "o-ringed" the heads, replaced the head gaskets, and shipped the heads back to HCS.

Now this is concerning. I have a local reputable machine shop that swears both heads are cracked, and the manufacture that tells me they're not. Who do I believe? To be honest, I'm scared to death of this motor. The motor, installation, and now this future bill that I'm fixing to have to pay because of their weak warranty is going to put me around $26,000 deep on this. I can't afford to keep throwing money at it.

So, now I've decided I'm going to immediately put the truck up for sale and buy a new 2025 with the 6.6l gas motor. I'm done with diesel motors.

Yesterday I sent Choate warranty department an email asking how to go about getting reimbursed for the 20.6/hrs x $75/hr that totals $1,545 dollars. They responded with an email stating: We found no evidence of a manufacturer’s defect or cause of failure with your cylinder heads so there wouldn’t be any labor payout. No one from Choate has contacted the shop doing the work and I can't get a return phone call.

A blown head-gasket in less that 10,000 miles, and they are going to make me pay for it. Would not a blown head-gasket in itself be a factory issue? Especially 10,000 miles into a 5yr/100,000 warranty?

As of now, I have now contacted an attorney and will go broke over principle alone trying to recoup a minuscule $1,545 just to keep them honest.

I absolutely would not purchase from them again. Look up other customer reviews like I should have before I made a decision. There are far too many stories just like mine.View attachment 187887View attachment 187888View attachment 187889View attachment 187890View attachment 187891View attachment 187892

Are they running 2 different head gaskets in the motor? That seems very odd seeing as buying a gasket kit they typically match. Not a duramax tech by any means, but seeing as they’re different colors, that’s a big red flag there


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Are they running 2 different head gaskets in the motor? That seems very odd seeing as buying a gasket kit they typically match. Not a duramax tech by any means, but seeing as they’re different colors, that’s a big red flag there


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So I called out the same observation, but was told by Cass Choate they are different colors to keep from mixing them up. He said one has an oiler hole that if swapped, would cause a failure. I'll be honest, I am not a mechanic, but am good friends with several diesel mechanics that also asked the same question. Cass also says my 40hp tune very likely caused this issue which, I believe is a cop out. My response was that if a 40hp tune caused their engine rated for 500hp to fail, we have bigger issues. Honestly, I believe Choate has tried everything they can from the beginning to put this back on me, or the shop that installed the engine. HCS Auto, the installing shop, has multiple locations and are a premier shop in the NW Arkansa area for this type of work. They have been blown away by this issue and Choate's response to it.
 

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I would also add that the mechanic working on the engine found several head bolts loose when he removed the heads. I told this to Cass and he didn't even respond to it. To date, Choate has not attempted to contact the installing shop one time. I would think they would've wanted to talk to them to find out what they saw during the work on the engine. I am working to get a conference call setup between them next week. As it stands right now though, they are denying any warranty claim saying they found no factory defect when they inspected the heads. I mean, wouldn't the blown head gasket itself be a factory defect?
 

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So I called out the same observation, but was told by Cass Choate they are different colors to keep from mixing them up. He said one has an oiler hole that if swapped, would cause a failure. I'll be honest, I am not a mechanic, but am good friends with several diesel mechanics that also asked the same question. Cass also says my 40hp tune very likely caused this issue which, I believe is a cop out. My response was that if a 40hp tune caused their engine rated for 500hp to fail, we have bigger issues. Honestly, I believe Choate has tried everything they can from the beginning to put this back on me, or the shop that installed the engine. HCS Auto, the installing shop, has multiple locations and are a premier shop in the NW Arkansa area for this type of work. They have been blown away by this issue and Choate's response to it.

That sounds like a cop out in the head gasket, seems like they may be mixing and matching gasket sets they’ve got laying around or something.

Several things do seem wrong about this.

First being the heads weren’t oringed originally? Seems like they’re cheaping out there, at least in the 6.0 world any engine built by a reputable builder for “aftermarket performance use” no matter how light the “performance” is comes with o ringed heads. In dealing with the guys at kill devil, it’s standard on their Cummins, 6.4, 6.0, and 7.3 engines, haven’t heard them talk much about duramax stuff, but I’d assume they would do those as well. Cheap insurance at that point.

Second, loose head bolts/studs is a red flag. Had a 6.4 a few years back built by a “reputable” shop somewhere in Texas who apparently deal mainly with gas stuff, but the head bolts felt like they did the first couple torqued, and none of the 90* turns. I didn’t actually check torque, but my gun typically hits a few times and then backs them out, and I could’ve probably done these with my 3/8, then after getting the heads off looked like they prepped the deck with a chainsaw. I’d recommend having the shop check the deck surface for flatness as well, may have blown on the under side of the gasket.

Third, having a machine shop who your shop trusts say there is an issue with the heads, and then choate saying there is no issue is another red flag.

Fourth, paying a bunch extra for a warranty that’s only going to cover $50 per hour is bs. Hell I charge more than that to work on stuff in my driveway, and I don’t have shop overhead I have to cover. Not sure what yalls typical tech pay is, but out here $50 an hour is going to barely cover an average diesel techs hourly rate. I’d say average around here is 40-50 per hour for a decent guy. I would however read their warranty stipulations very closely prior to getting an attorney involved, as it may cover their ass in some legalese I go cross eyed reading.

Fifth, I agree, a 40 hp tune should have no issue on that thing. Hell, stock 300k mile motors will live very happy at that power level, tranny? Maybe not, but motor for sure.

Finally, yes, a blown head gasket with their overheat tabs not being changed over, indicating you cooked the damn thing, is an assembly issue, parts failure, etc, which should be covered under warranty. If your heat tabs were popped or discolored, or whatever they do, then I could see them saying that it was a cooling system issue, or you burned the damn thing to the ground doing an hour long burnout, or some dumb shit like that, but without those tabs showing an issue, obviously it didn’t cook.

Good luck, I hope you get this resolved. This does seem to be commonplace from what I’ve heard from some others.


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