clarification of fuel system upgrades

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I've been looking around here trying to get a basis to upgrade my fuel system from tank to heads. I'm going to swap my bale bed out for a stock bed as soon as I sell it so I want to get everything done that I can with the bed off vs dropping the tank later.

I had planned on doing the hutch mod but am now curious if I should follow guzzles directions or build a 5/8" beveled pick up as some here have done. I don't want to do a sumpdue to where my trucks end up around the farm. I am going to mount a filter on the frame rail then build from that point forward as I can.

Thanks in advance.
 

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I've been looking around here trying to get a basis to upgrade my fuel system from tank to heads. I'm going to swap my bale bed out for a stock bed as soon as I sell it so I want to get everything done that I can with the bed off vs dropping the tank later.

I had planned on doing the hutch mod but am now curious if I should follow guzzles directions or build a 5/8" beveled pick up as some here have done. I don't want to do a sumpdue to where my trucks end up around the farm. I am going to mount a filter on the frame rail then build from that point forward as I can.

Thanks in advance.
Are you looking for JUST the fuel tank and pre-pump components, or are you wanting to do a full fuel system upgrade, including a Regulated Return on the engine?

Staying with the 175s or plans for bigger injectors?
 

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Are you looking for JUST the fuel tank and pre-pump components, or are you wanting to do a full fuel system upgrade, including a Regulated Return on the engine?

Staying with the 175s or plans for bigger injectors?

I want to do a full fuel system with rr. Probably going to stay with my 175s, but If I did step up I think I'd go with a 238/200
 

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You can feed 175s with the stock pump, but may see a bit of pressure drop at WOT in the hotter tunes. 238s will need more pump for sure.

Question is...are you wanting to buy for what you currently have (spend less) or buy for what you "might" upgrade to in the future (spend more)?
 

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I would rather build for what I might do, I can always dial pressure.

Fwiw this truck is work truck build. It spends a good majority of its time hooked to a trailer
 

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I would rather build for what I might do, I can always dial pressure.

Fwiw this truck is work truck build. It spends a good majority of its time hooked to a trailer

So does mine.

I built my fuel system myself. Not sure how much I have tied up in it.

5/8" pickup tube from Strictly Diesel.

pre-pump water separator/base. (Baldwin Filter Base FB1311)

Fuel pump of your choice. I run a Fuelab pump.

Post pump filter/base. (Baldwin Filter Base FB1311)

I have 5/8 ID hose from the tank to my heads.

Return is from the front of the heads, into an Aeromotive regulator, then into a 3/8" ID hose back to the stock pickup tube.

Most of my hose and fittings was sourced through JEGS.

Hope this helps.
 

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Here's the challenge with that...

Lots of people love to sell or push the A1000/Fuelab style pumps. What they don't usually tell you is that these are RACE PARTS. I love the Fuelab pumps, and Fuelab as a company has been awesome to us and our customers, but unlike many of my competitors...I draw a line between reliability and performance and I try to make sure my customers understand that moving to race level parts ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT A DOUBT reduces reliability (in terms of "chances of a failure"). I'm not saying that you are guaranteed a failure if you run an A1000 or Fuelab pump, but the simple fact is that the OE Bosch fuel pump has proven to be a STELLAR product in terms of reliability, we commonly see them go 200k+ miles without so much as a hiccup...and the aftermarket race pumps, while great in their own rights, just don't live nearly as long.

My point is simply this...if you are considering purchasing a race pump (or any other "race" parts) but your priorities for your "work truck" lean heavily toward "reliability"...you may have a conflict. I would give this serious consideration...particularly if this is a truck that gets driven a lot of miles (distance from home)...where a breakdown could be costly (tow bill) and difficult to resolve (waiting for a replacement pump to ship to you).

This is one of the reasons that our fuel system products have always been "modular". You can do the pieces that best fit YOUR needs and priorities. The Regulated Return kits we offer (either "Standard" or "Bowl Delete") will work and not reduce reliability. Our Pre-Pump/Tank Kit can be used now with your stock pump, and then upgraded to work with 5/8" pickup and hose IF you ever take that leap. Our Post-Pump filter kits work with either the stock pump or aftermarket pump. Lots of options...

The biggest problem with the internet and getting recommendations from forums is that, for the most part, everyone will recommend what THEY run on their personal truck. That's because they feel like they did their homework and made the best choice, and they may even have reasons they didn't use a different product. What everyone else doesn't know is how YOU use your truck, what YOUR priorities are, what your GOALS are, etc. 50 people might jump in here and say to use a Fuelab pump because it's working awesome for them...some might point at our kit because we use Fuelab and have a full system with pickup tube, hose, bracket, wiring harness, etc... I will happily sell you a pump or complete setup if that's what you decide you want...but make sure you are making an informed decision and consider the negatives with the positives.

I've sold a lot of different aftermarket pumps (A1000, MagnaFuel, Fuelab, AirDog, AirDog II, FASS, Weldon) and had failures of ALL of them. I absolutely HATE getting calls from customers that are upset because a product we sold has left them broken down. This is a possible reality when you start moving farther and farther down the performance/race path...and I would prefer you be educated about it and know the chances before making your purchase rather than just sell you whatever the "latest and greatest" buzzword product is. Whether you do business with me or not...hopefully you will give thought to my warnings and consider YOUR situation carefully before making a purchase.
 

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FWIW...hose larger than 3/8" AFTER the fuel pump is OVERKILL on 99% of trucks out there. I'm feeding 400cc hybrids with 3/8" hose from the pump to the bowl delete block with NO pressure drop. Smaller hose is less expensive and easier to work with.
 

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Here's the challenge with that...

Lots of people love to sell or push the A1000/Fuelab style pumps. What they don't usually tell you is that these are RACE PARTS. I love the Fuelab pumps, and Fuelab as a company has been awesome to us and our customers, but unlike many of my competitors...I draw a line between reliability and performance and I try to make sure my customers understand that moving to race level parts ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT A DOUBT reduces reliability (in terms of "chances of a failure"). I'm not saying that you are guaranteed a failure if you run an A1000 or Fuelab pump, but the simple fact is that the OE Bosch fuel pump has proven to be a STELLAR product in terms of reliability, we commonly see them go 200k+ miles without so much as a hiccup...and the aftermarket race pumps, while great in their own rights, just don't live nearly as long.

My point is simply this...if you are considering purchasing a race pump (or any other "race" parts) but your priorities for your "work truck" lean heavily toward "reliability"...you may have a conflict. I would give this serious consideration...particularly if this is a truck that gets driven a lot of miles (distance from home)...where a breakdown could be costly (tow bill) and difficult to resolve (waiting for a replacement pump to ship to you).

This is one of the reasons that our fuel system products have always been "modular". You can do the pieces that best fit YOUR needs and priorities. The Regulated Return kits we offer (either "Standard" or "Bowl Delete") will work and not reduce reliability. Our Pre-Pump/Tank Kit can be used now with your stock pump, and then upgraded to work with 5/8" pickup and hose IF you ever take that leap. Our Post-Pump filter kits work with either the stock pump or aftermarket pump. Lots of options...

The biggest problem with the internet and getting recommendations from forums is that, for the most part, everyone will recommend what THEY run on their personal truck. That's because they feel like they did their homework and made the best choice, and they may even have reasons they didn't use a different product. What everyone else doesn't know is how YOU use your truck, what YOUR priorities are, what your GOALS are, etc. 50 people might jump in here and say to use a Fuelab pump because it's working awesome for them...some might point at our kit because we use Fuelab and have a full system with pickup tube, hose, bracket, wiring harness, etc... I will happily sell you a pump or complete setup if that's what you decide you want...but make sure you are making an informed decision and consider the negatives with the positives.

I've sold a lot of different aftermarket pumps (A1000, MagnaFuel, Fuelab, AirDog, AirDog II, FASS, Weldon) and had failures of ALL of them. I absolutely HATE getting calls from customers that are upset because a product we sold has left them broken down. This is a possible reality when you start moving farther and farther down the performance/race path...and I would prefer you be educated about it and know the chances before making your purchase rather than just sell you whatever the "latest and greatest" buzzword product is. Whether you do business with me or not...hopefully you will give thought to my warnings and consider YOUR situation carefully before making a purchase.

truth.

the OEM (Ford SD) pumps are rock solid reliable...every SINGLE pump...I don't care if it's on a Ford/Dodge/GM...have never compared to (even) a fraction of the repeated reliability of the stock SD pump..

when we do 'big' builds for guys wanting competition power..AND reliability we use 2 SD pumps...it's more complex, more expensive (ish)...but we can comfortably turn those street trucks loose with 550-650+hp and not worry about a _____________ fuel pump taking a chit and leaving them stranded & pissed.
 

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great explanation strictly! good to see golfer backed it up also.

dennis, someone told me that you wont use a walbro pump, is that true, and why?

live life full throttle
 

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Walbro is NOT rated for diesel fuel and carries NO WARRANTY with diesel fuel.

Same for the Bosch 044 pump.

You can use them, but if they fail, you are buying another one.
 

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My problem with that kit is that it doesn't look as factory looking as the strictly diesel one. You get what you pay for...


I dont believe either are factory looking as a FB delete. I like the hard lines better than hose, just me though, as all the hoses i have now for my AD and FRX are all cracked deep into the hose only 4 yrs old. just waiting for a leak to warrant something else. I would think the latest RR with braided lines are pretty good.
 
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I like the hard lines better than hose, just me though, as all the hoses i have now for my AD and FRX are all cracked deep into the hose only 4 yrs old. just waiting for a leak to warrant something else. I would think the latest RR with braided lines are pretty good.

Post confuses me with someone...or sounds like it...

The mentioned crossover is NOT a Strictly Diesel/Driven Diesel product, we don't make a "crossover"....only FULL RR KITS!

Also, the "latest RR with braided lines" comment...you must again be thinking of someone else because our kits have had braided hoses for YEARS.

Just wanting to clarify.
 

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Nothing against ur product, just complaining about the hoses i have to back up me liking the hard line kits. Should have been clearer in my statement i guess. Parts i did purchase from you are of good quality no doubt.
 

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