2015 turbine misinformation

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I'm doing this because I've been getting a lot of people asking or telling me things that they've "heard" about the 2015 turbos. Especially being unusable in stock form because of the supposedly "too small turbine".

There seems to be a perpetuated myth that the factory turbine is so restrictive that with just a tune your going to damage your engine. I want to dispel this myth as I am tired of having to explain this to people.

64mm stock turbine on a 2012, no gate, nothing more than a retrofit kit, delete pipe and mcc tuning. 559 hp at 1330us 30psi of boost and 43 psi of exhaust back pressure.

My 2015, 64mm stock turbine, 1550us-1700us (only gained 3hp from 1550 to 1700) all over 600hp. Wastegate COMPLETELY shut making 40 psi at 60 ebp.

Stock turbine with smaller compressor has even less ebp due to the smaller compressor creating less resistance on the turbine, therefore causing less ebp.

If you are experiencing high ebp, try different tuning. The turbo itself is 100% capable of being in a "safe" zone on any stock fuel 6.7 from 11-15 with good tuning.



This is grossing 19k on flat ground cruising in 5th at 60mph. I routinely see 1.1:1-1.2:1 ebp to boost ratio cruising.
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Worst I have seen maxed out WOT running to 100mph at 4000 rpm is 1.5:1-1.6:1 ratio.

I have never seen 2:1 or 3:1 figures all these people keep throwing out there. These are real numbers not "I heard from so and so" crap. We are using actual 100psi stand alone sensors and monitor ruling out any of the incorrect signals you get reading through pcm.



Lets keep this is open for discussion as I am sure there are lots of people who are curios. Maybe some with actual hard data can throw it in here for reference.


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Great info man!! Glad to see something positive vs the doom and gloom I keep hearing about. Just one question though, how do all three of your 15 turbos offered compare as far as power and back pressure? I know you mentioned your 64mm turbo (street max correct?) you offer, but what about the stock turbo and the tow max you offer?
 
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Great info man!! Glad to see something positive vs the doom and gloom I keep hearing about. Just one question though, how do all three of your 15 turbos offered compare as far as power and back pressure? I know you mentioned your 64mm turbo (street max correct?) you offer, but what about the stock turbo and the tow max you offer?


The stock turbo, TowMax and StreetMax all have factory turbines. We are doing a larger turbine but that is to help drive a much larger compressor.

As far as hp I can't really say exactly because all trucks are different. I know we are making over 600 with the StreetMax. The ebp numbers should be similar. But overall the larger compressor StreetMax is a very slight bit slower to spool do to the larger compressor. Which isn't a bad deal for helping keep from rod snapping violent torque.

That factory turbine is what's called a mix-flow turbine. For their size they flow more air than a standard style turbine. It just doesn't have enough surface area to drive a larger than a 64mm compressor.


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I'm doing this because I've been getting a lot of people asking or telling me things that they've "heard" about the 2015 turbos. Especially being unusable in stock form because of the supposedly "too small turbine".

There seems to be a perpetuated myth that the factory turbine is so restrictive that with just a tune your going to damage your engine. I want to dispel this myth as I am tired of having to explain this to people.

64mm stock turbine on a 2012, no gate, nothing more than a retrofit kit, delete pipe and mcc tuning. 559 hp at 1330us 30psi of boost and 43 psi of exhaust back pressure.

My 2015, 64mm stock turbine, 1550us-1700us (only gained 3hp from 1550 to 1700) all over 600hp. Wastegate COMPLETELY shut making 40 psi at 60 ebp.

Stock turbine with smaller compressor has even less ebp due to the smaller compressor creating less resistance on the turbine, therefore causing less ebp.

If you are experiencing high ebp, try different tuning. The turbo itself is 100% capable of being in a "safe" zone on any stock fuel 6.7 from 11-15 with good tuning.



This is grossing 19k on flat ground cruising in 5th at 60mph. I routinely see 1.1:1-1.2:1 ebp to boost ratio cruising.
19dfe9f61f6bc5284c1d9dc2684adf04.jpg


Worst I have seen maxed out WOT running to 100mph at 4000 rpm is 1.5:1-1.6:1 ratio.

I have never seen 2:1 or 3:1 figures all these people keep throwing out there. These are real numbers not "I heard from so and so" crap. We are using actual 100psi stand alone sensors and monitor ruling out any of the incorrect signals you get reading through pcm.



Lets keep this is open for discussion as I am sure there are lots of people who are curios. Maybe some with actual hard data can throw it in here for reference.


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Have you data logged your pulsewitdh to see if your actually getting what your calling for?
 
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Have you data logged your pulsewitdh to see if your actually getting what your calling for?


Yes sir.

Added pw till we started losing hp. Adding more fuel past that only lost more power and gained a lot of smoke. So my pump isn't keeping up much past 1650. It's got 15k miles on it.


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