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Message: [QUOTE="Big Bore, post: 1430642, member: 760"] I don't know where this tangent ended up as I stopped reading the thread this morning around page 30, but I can corroborate everything you, vref and Tarm said here. Its tuning, period. I live at 9000ft and tow over 11,000ft with a 38r. My truck was a smoky hot doggy mess that I wanted to drive off a cliff before Curtis tuned it. Now I can hold OD empty at 55mph on a 6% grade at 10,000ft elevation with 3:73/33's and hardly any smoke and towing heavy is no problem. Curtis towed all over the mtns with 250/200's and a 38r on a lifted truck with I think 37's and 3:73's and ran cool and fast and made over 500hp at +/- 5500ft elev...on PMR's AND A STOCK HPOP. Once you get above 8000ft, towing and pulling grades period is a completely different world than even a mile high. If you're smoking at sea level, ditch your tuner. There are less than a handful of tuners that really get it. That being the case, if those alternative turbos are clearing up poor tuning, I would be interested to see how they do with correct tuning, they definitely seem like a step up from a 38r. [/QUOTE]

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