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Message: [QUOTE="Charles, post: 100808, member: 103"] So much basic logic failing in this thread. First basic logic building block fail... you people talking about injection "quality"... what is that exactly? Is it not determined by droplet diameter? The smaller the droplet diameter the greater the atomization. That's what atomization IS.... So.... how do you get the lowest droplet diameter for a given injection quantity? Simple.... the smallest hole with the greatest pressure. Now... given these FACTS.... take into consideration that at identical pw and ICP a hybrid moves [i]more[/i] fuel across a 200% nozzle than a B-code. Instead of focusing on the more fuel part.... instead focus on the fact that the nozzle was identical. It's not a case where the hybrid just dumps large quantities of fuel through a huge nozzle at low pressure like many of you so obviously think. I just said it moves more fuel per time across the SAME nozzle. Now sit back and think about that.... how is that POSSIBLE??? There is exactly ONE way that is possible. The hybrid has HIGHER injection pressure than the B at competitive flow rates. There is NO other way to move more fuel per time across a given orifice than with greater pressure. PERIOD. NO....OTHER....WAY.... So.... if the pressure is HIGHER..... and the hole sizes are IDENTICAL..... then how do you suppose the injection "quality" is LOWER???? It's NOT! The hybrid has BETTER atomization at full tilt with identical nozzles of a competitive size than a B-code does, because the injection pressure is HIGHER for the hybrid. At low demand and low ICP the B-code will catch up, and surpass the hybrid in terms of achieved injection pressure. And this makes Lott feel all good inside when he's driving around because he apparently can't handle tossing the hybrid a few hundred extra psi as you roll on the pedal in these situations. So he says the B drives better. Fine. The fact that he pretends that I haven't run my own truck on a few sets of B's I find amusing. In fact... I was running B's in MY truck waaaaaaaaay before guys like Lott thought they were cool beans. In fact.... at that time, many people said they would destroy the engine because of the symmetrical nozzle... When I ran my first set of B's Lott was busy selling Mini-Me's as hard as he could while I was making 438rwhp on fuel with stock 7 hole powerstroke nozzles. I doubt anyone has run as much ACTUAL injection pressure on a 7.3 injector as that set. It actually eroded the fuel plates like a water jet machine... So if we could skip the part about how Lott's the reigning champ on experience with B's it would help stave off the gag reflex a bit here... Second massive logical fail of the thread... If you want to make a set of injectors with full stroke of EXAAAAACTLY how much fuel you plan to inject... fine... But that doesn't make you "cool" because your injectors are ____cc at full stroke while someone else's are 100 more cc's at full stroke and you still make decent power. It's like you people think we're injecting 400 F'ing cc's of fuel at full power. I made 644 on fuel, uncorrected at a scope verified 2ms of pulsewidth. My injectors at the time flowed ~250 to 260cc per 1000 shots at 2ms at the same 2800 to 3000psi. I had a reserve stroke up to 300cc.... but that doesn't mean I actually injected it. I now have a reserve up to 400cc but don't inject but ~20cc more due entirely to the ability of the 400% nozzle to move more fuel WITHIN that same 2ms window. Last massive conceptual blunder of the thread... The difference between a hybrid and a B in 2ms at say 3000psi with say a 200 to 300% nozzle is a very modest amount. It is NOT a massive disparity. It's not as if the B only fills the beaker halfway in comparison. We're talking about deficiencies on the order of 5 to 10cc's. NOT an amount that is going to just devestate a truck running B's to the point of obvious deficiency. It just means that for any GIVEN truck.... there's a little more with hybrids at full song. Between trucks..... the G'damn differences from truck to truck are many TIMES greater than anything you will see between B's and Hybrids up top. ESPECIALLY with pussy ass nozzles that don't require any real rate from the injectors anyway. So comparing one truck running B's to another running hybrids is retarded. [/QUOTE]