Baby Swamps, what tunes?

[MeTo]

I just pulled the trigger yesterday on a set of baby swamps. I had Performance Diesel do an overall engine diagnostics and compression test (bench marked), no internal injures. Although Jeff stated their was a couple of tablespoons of fuel in the valley. I'm having Jeff install the injectors because I don't want to do it in a Wisconsin winter.

I'm going to send my TS6 for a re-burn when I return the cores. My question is, what do you have to say about Swamps tunes and which do you have?

I'm looking for mpg and whatever extra hp occurs; I have enough hp now. I pull a ~2500 enclosed cargo trailer (boondocker) and have a couple of hundred pounds on the back. I drive two lane roads at 60 - 65 and usually shift at 2000 - 2500 rpm. I guess I should mention I'm 58.

I would also like to take this opportunity to thank everyone for the boatload of info I have gleaned over the last few months.

97 F350 XL std cab, srw, 4wd & 3.55s
Donaldson, 3" ss down pipe & -cat
Pyro & boost meters, -EBPV & FPR shimmed
Balanced fuel delivery & TSP chip w/custom mpg tunes
Removed box -> custom enclosure & All synthetic lube
Custom hitch & added cruise 203F t-stat
Custom front deer deflector w/high lift jack

 

[mandkole]

Lots of tuners available to choose from-- perhaps start with Swamps since you are using their injectors. They will steer you right.

You don't say what trans you have. Either the clutch or the auto will need some upgrade with the babies. You'll make an easy 300-315 on a good fuel tune with those and that's more than stock clutches, converters, etc like to deal with.

Have fun!

on edit; guessing you have a manual after re-reading again... plan on clutch upgrade if you use the power available.

 

[cbf9703]

I run Swamps injectors and tuning. I'd recommend calling and talking to them about what you want out of the truck and tunes. They'll set you up with a good place to start with tunes that were designed to work with those injectors. You can always try other tuners if they can't make the tunes work for you.

I still run a TS 6pos and have been happy overall with my Swamps tunes. I've had it reburned to accommodate my changing wants/needs over the years, they've always been good to work with.

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[MeTo]

Thanks for the feedback. I don't plan on investing in a new chip; just trying to optimize the learning curve. My goal is to get a basic understanding of what other people have experienced with swamp's different tunes. It will expedite my discussion with Dave in choosing the right tunes for my situation, hopefully without requiring any re-burns?

 

[cbf9703]

Thanks for the feedback. I don't plan on investing in a new chip; just trying to optimize the learning curve. My goal is to get a basic understanding of what other people have experienced with swamp's different tunes. It will expedite my discussion with Dave in choosing the right tunes for my situation, hopefully without requiring any re-burns?

Knowing what YOU want is key- Dave will work with you to put together a set of tunes that will work for your needs if you don't want the standard 6 they would load. My reburn was because I wanted a no-start program instead of high idle that I wasn't using and had a tweak done to the tranny shifting on my daily tune (it was a less common base file and hadn't been tweaked as much prior as the more common computer codes at the time). I've ran Swamps tunes for 8 years in the trucks, they'll work with you. If you have a specific question, feel free to PM- I'm not sure what kind of feedback you're looking for.

Also, as with any good tuner, remember that someone who ran Swamps tunes 6 or 8 years ago may be running a very different file from what you would be getting today. As they receive feedback, Dave and Jonathan update the files and improve the tunes if needed.

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[MeTo]

I know what I NEED, not WANT! Does that mean I will get what I need from talking to Dave or any other tuner the first time? The odds are against it.

I have spent ~30 years in IT. So, I know that a programmer's demeanor is reflected in their programming, unless their part of a team or have a project leader who forces them to adhere to the requirements. For example; a cautious programmer will code mild tunes, a risk taker will code "hot"/aggressive tunes and so forth.

My original question was as an attempt to get an understanding of Swamp's tuning style.

I have read many, many, threads discussing Swamp's tunes. They range from, they are the greatest thing since sliced bread, to smoky and etc... So, not much help their unless the posters clarify their observation with what their expectations and circumstances were at the time.

I'm going to try this in a couple of tuner threads.

 

[cbf9703]

I know what I NEED, not WANT! Does that mean I will get what I need from talking to Dave or any other tuner the first time? The odds are against it.

I have spent ~30 years in IT. So, I know that a programmer's demeanor is reflected in their programming, unless their part of a team or have a project leader who forces them to adhere to the requirements. For example; a cautious programmer will code mild tunes, a risk taker will code "hot"/aggressive tunes and so forth.

My original question was as an attempt to get an understanding of Swamp's tuning style.

I have read many, many, threads discussing Swamp's tunes. They range from, they are the greatest thing since sliced bread, to smoky and etc... So, not much help their unless the posters clarify their observation with what their expectations and circumstances were at the time.

I'm going to try this in a couple of tuner threads.

Ok, on my chip I have a no start and 5 different tunes that range from mild to hot. You are basically asking for a run down of each individual tune if you are asking about characteristics like smoke because my mild tune doesn't smoke, but my hot tunes will based on driving style- not much smoke, but I can make it happen..the trans shifting strategy, TC lockup, and pedal feel are also different on the different tunes. Case in point, Matt drives my truck on occasion. He knows almost instantly if it's a different tune than the last time he drove it because of the driving characteristics- but that's what I wanted, 5 different tunes and I requested changes to trans and TC lockup on some knowing my preference with a lifted vehicle and no regear.

I'll offer again, if you have specific questions about their tunes on the set ups I've run (quite a few at this point on stock to lifted trucks, manual OBS and SD to auto EX and SD), you're welcome to PM, but otherwise I'm not exactly sure what you're looking for because the tunes are indeed different and while I could have gotten tunes that smoke more (they are available), that was not something I personally wanted.

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[mandkole]

I know what I NEED, not WANT! Does that mean I will get what I need from talking to Dave or any other tuner the first time? The odds are against it.

I have spent ~30 years in IT. So, I know that a programmer's demeanor is reflected in their programming, unless their part of a team or have a project leader who forces them to adhere to the requirements. For example; a cautious programmer will code mild tunes, a risk taker will code "hot"/aggressive tunes and so forth.

My original question was as an attempt to get an understanding of Swamp's tuning style.

I have read many, many, threads discussing Swamp's tunes. They range from, they are the greatest thing since sliced bread, to smoky and etc... So, not much help their unless the posters clarify their observation with what their expectations and circumstances were at the time.

I'm going to try this in a couple of tuner threads.

Sounds like our practical experience with these trucks wont be helpful to you. You are way over thinking the complexity/sensitivity of your application, but just don't know it yet. Whether you realize it or not, your almost stock truck with almost stock reman injectors will run great on an old edge evo with canned Edge tunes.

 

[Jomax]

I run Swamps injectors and tuning. I'd recommend calling and talking to them about what you want out of the truck and tunes. They'll set you up with a good place to start with tunes that were designed to work with those injectors. You can always try other tuners if they can't make the tunes work for you.

I still run a TS 6pos and have been happy overall with my Swamps tunes. I've had it reburned to accommodate my changing wants/needs over the years, they've always been good to work with.

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Just installed 200/30s from swamps in a friends truck along with their tuning. Tuning is spot on. I'd use them.


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[golfer]

I know what I NEED, not WANT! Does that mean I will get what I need from talking to Dave or any other tuner the first time? The odds are against it.

I have spent ~30 years in IT. So, I know that a programmer's demeanor is reflected in their programming, unless their part of a team or have a project leader who forces them to adhere to the requirements. For example; a cautious programmer will code mild tunes, a risk taker will code "hot"/aggressive tunes and so forth.

My original question was as an attempt to get an understanding of Swamp's tuning style.

I have read many, many, threads discussing Swamp's tunes. They range from, they are the greatest thing since sliced bread, to smoky and etc... So, not much help their unless the posters clarify their observation with what their expectations and circumstances were at the time.

I'm going to try this in a couple of tuner threads.

it definitely depends..

ie, if you order a set of 250/200's and a full T4 turbo kit, with an S475 charger...and the associated $6k worth of chit you need it to run full tilt....you'll get one mild tune, a high idle...and a tow (based on elevation, gear ratio, turbo size, etc)...but you'll be damned sure you're going to have a hot/race tune that will do.work.

if you buy a set of 175 single shots/stock nozzle...and send in your own chip (with no notes on 'application' whatsoever)...but the paper work says L99 manual, 4.10 gears...at high elevation..then I'm probably not going to make that truck an 'on/off' switch with pedal sensitivity.

so no...you may not get what you want..but you'll get what I think you want based on what you tell me about your truck/usage...

if you're overly concerned with getting it right the first time...then you may want to invest in a HydraChip...where I routinely make adjustments (mostly guys' personal preference on shifting, either shift points or crispness)and email changes at no charge...but even with 'only' 6 programs on the TS chip..you'll prooooobbbabbbly find a wide range of tuning/power levels...each with its' own shift points & characteristics...as long as you provide a decent amount of info when you send in your chip.

for customers sending own chip for free reprogramming, we (insist?) recommend that each customer fill out the following:

http://swampsdiesel.com/files/RMA.pdf

also, on your invoice...it'll request you provide:

Vehicle build date:
Auto or Manual:
Gear ratio if Auto Trans:
Tire size if Auto Trans:
Injector size:
Do you have California emissions? We will need DPC-xxx:

Excursions/E-series, etc...are odd ball enough (generally) for those customers to know to mention...but sometimes we'll shoot out a 'loaner' chip for guys that didn't specify enough (or we didn't ask enough Qs), and you receive a chip not 'right' for your application...

application is really what *I* like to know...

daily driving/towing?

hot street/infrequent towing?

race/sled pull?

etc...

any specific questions should come to tuning AT swampsdiesel.com

 

[MeTo]

Thanks Dave, I took a chance and emailed Jon. I wasn't sure if he had or wanted
to invest the time on an individual basis. We exchanged a couple of emails and got
it sorted out. He mentioned I should send a copy of the last email along with my chip,
since he doesn't burn much anymore.

As for the smoke issue, last summer my wife and I were in a campground in Idaho. I
started the truck one chilly morning and it promptly fogged out the neighbors. When
we got back, there was an official looking note on the camper. No more smoke or leave!

BLM and National Forests all the way!