batmowheel for 7.3 powerstroke turbos

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I've been reading that the batmowheel is way awesome and is showing tons of advantages over standard compressor wheels even on stock turbos. I currently have a gillette tp-38 plus upgrade(91mm exducer with 360 degree bearing) done to my early 99 turbo and was wondering if it would be possible to swap in a custom batmowheel.
 

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so is that a d66 type turbo or a stocker? Your best bet would probably be to contact the company who makes the batmowheel chargers. I was interested in buying one awhile back but no one in the ford crowd had any feedback with them.
 

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i would give MPD or bullseye a call, by the way got my batmo in lastnight pretty badazz
 

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i remember reading somewhere, i think it was on compd, that you could not buy just the wheel, as they would not sell just the wheel. you had to buy the whole charger. something about special, custom fit of the wheel, to prevent issues of potential customer caused failures, (we all know that as soon as someone says failure, it dont matter what/who caused it, its a still a failure) they just make you buy the whole damn thing.
 

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i remember reading somewhere, i think it was on compd, that you could not buy just the wheel, as they would not sell just the wheel. you had to buy the whole charger. something about special, custom fit of the wheel, to prevent issues of potential customer caused failures, (we all know that as soon as someone says failure, it dont matter what/who caused it, its a still a failure) they just make you buy the whole damn thing.

That are doing it for 6.0s...


And the 7.3 is in the works according to Craig
 

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HRT you just answered my question. Sweet. But now the heart breaker, how much is it and where can i get one for my 4202. And would i have to have it balanced and what not.
 

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Just got off the phone with Bill at bullseye turbo and the 4294 isnt even on the slate to be made. They hadnt even talked about it yet.

As far as the stock wheel replacement. They are working on that one now.
 

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What are you really gaining if you do nothing to the other side of the turbo anyways. The issue we have with most turbos on the 7.3 including the stocker 38r etc is the turbine side is too small. At the very least IMO you would need a 1.15 housing at the very least. After all whatever goes in has to come out then some. We are already hitting huge drive pressure numbers at anything in the top 20s psi. Maybe I am just not looking at it correctly??
 

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Tarm, from what i was told, the batmowheel islighter and grabs more air. It also helps with back pressuretoo. THats what i was told. I really want to get one put in this beast and see what the difference is.
 

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OK but this is how I see it happening: the wheel "grabs" which translates to "flows" more air for each revolution. That means there is that much more exhaust gas that must be forced back out thru the turbine housing that turns one:eek:ne with the comp wheel. Our stock turbos without anything special are already greatly in the need of the larger 1.15 housing or turbine wheel flow to bring things more inline which even with that its still well past 1:1 below 30 psi. Now add this extra air flow going into the turbo inlet from this improved wheel. The way I see ( not real numbers just an example) If you had a new comp wheel regardless of its actual size if it flowed as much as a 4294 comp wheel would you saddle that with a GT38 turbine wheel and stock housing? Things have to match up flow for flow. IMO this is especially critical with the 7.3 because of displacement and head flow design. From what I have seen and I am sure I could be wrong here but the 7.3 needs more turbine flow that other engines. Maybe they all need it. But with the 7.3 you add more turbine flow up to a point and you tend to loose little if any response but gain power on the top end. Same goes for adding WGs. By relieving the back pressure on 38r/D66(latter which has the larger turbine wheel) you pick up HP.

Now here comes a new higher flow comp wheel. Does that now not just create that much more exhaust flow per rev that needs to flow thru that turbine? Would that not create that much more drive pressure? If nothing else about the turbos design has changed i.e. comp housing, turbine housing, turbine wheel, waste gate. For every rev of increased air coming in the comp inlet is there now not just that much more in ratio drive pressure backed up robbing power on the turbine side?


I think the analogy of breathing and underwater swimming is good example. If you are able to inhale a certain amount of air but at the same time can only exhale a fixed amount. Now if you increase the amount you can inhale but still can only exhale the lesser amount other than that first full inflation of your lungs ( spool up and build boost faster) you will not be able to hold your breath or swim underwater any longer as you will never be able to fully empty the used carbon dioxide to refill it with power creating oxygen. Or you could look at it as with breathing air thru two different straws. If I gave you the same straw for breath in and out then switched and gave you a much bigger straw to breath in but left you with the smaller straw to breath out. It can let you build up boost and there for power faster but not to a higher peak.


I could see it spooling up faster and boost building up to its peak faster just not sure on ultimately increased peak power or flow. I fully acknowledge I could be looking at this incorrectly. If so I would find it helpful if someone would explain it. Even better if that has the experience to know they are correct would explain it in enough detail so I can understand it. LOL
 

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OK but this is how I see it happening: the wheel "grabs" which translates to "flows" more air for each revolution. That means there is that much more exhaust gas that must be forced back out thru the turbine housing that turns one:eek:ne with the comp wheel. Our stock turbos without anything special are already greatly in the need of the larger 1.15 housing or turbine wheel flow to bring things more inline which even with that its still well past 1:1 below 30 psi. Now add this extra air flow going into the turbo inlet from this improved wheel. The way I see ( not real numbers just an example) If you had a new comp wheel regardless of its actual size if it flowed as much as a 4294 comp wheel would you saddle that with a GT38 turbine wheel and stock housing? Things have to match up flow for flow. IMO this is especially critical with the 7.3 because of displacement and head flow design. From what I have seen and I am sure I could be wrong here but the 7.3 needs more turbine flow that other engines. Maybe they all need it. But with the 7.3 you add more turbine flow up to a point and you tend to loose little if any response but gain power on the top end. Same goes for adding WGs. By relieving the back pressure on 38r/D66(latter which has the larger turbine wheel) you pick up HP.

Now here comes a new higher flow comp wheel. Does that now not just create that much more exhaust flow per rev that needs to flow thru that turbine? Would that not create that much more drive pressure? If nothing else about the turbos design has changed i.e. comp housing, turbine housing, turbine wheel, waste gate. For every rev of increased air coming in the comp inlet is there now not just that much more in ratio drive pressure backed up robbing power on the turbine side?


I think the analogy of breathing and underwater swimming is good example. If you are able to inhale a certain amount of air but at the same time can only exhale a fixed amount. Now if you increase the amount you can inhale but still can only exhale the lesser amount other than that first full inflation of your lungs ( spool up and build boost faster) you will not be able to hold your breath or swim underwater any longer as you will never be able to fully empty the used carbon dioxide to refill it with power creating oxygen. Or you could look at it as with breathing air thru two different straws. If I gave you the same straw for breath in and out then switched and gave you a much bigger straw to breath in but left you with the smaller straw to breath out. It can let you build up boost and there for power faster but not to a higher peak.


I could see it spooling up faster and boost building up to its peak faster just not sure on ultimately increased peak power or flow. I fully acknowledge I could be looking at this incorrectly. If so I would find it helpful if someone would explain it. Even better if that has the experience to know they are correct would explain it in enough detail so I can understand it. LOL

Kinda would like to know what it is doing for drive pressure also, what you are saying makes sense to me Tarm. Im sure most of us would probably get a bigger ex housing or what have you anyways or already have on larger turbos, or like you say "match up flow for flow" but just want to know how much the wheel itself is increasing drive pressure or if any at all. So far more air and cooler temps sound good to me:D
 

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Tarm, from what i was told, the batmowheel islighter and grabs more air. It also helps with back pressuretoo. THats what i was told. I really want to get one put in this beast and see what the difference is.

It does the bamtowheel swoopes down from a tall building and grabs more air and shoves it into the batmocave.
 

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Im sure your making fun of me so :flipa: and you made meLOLLOLLOL

I was telling a buddy of mine about this "batmowheel" this weekend. He thought i said batmobile, so we started joking and saying how we stuff a mini version of the batmobile on top of our motors and it gives us 200+hp.
 

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Here's a sneak peek of it. It adds over 200hp and gurantees you'll beat any cummings out there. :joy:


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