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Message: [QUOTE="Tree Trimmer, post: 286199, member: 716"] so lets take that another direction. what is the price difference between the batmo, and the precision billet wheel? just the wheel. and how much does it cost to have stockers made to fit the billet wheel, vs just buying a premade billet wheel turbo. i agree with you, why buy billet, just to put in a different billet wheel. buy cast, and put in billet. i also think, that most of the people who have posted in this thread so far, have been performance for so long, and had the bank roll to do it, that sometimes they forget to think like the average joe. the guy without the background you guys have. the guy who has to weigh cost vs outcome/performance. to this guy, a couple hundred bucks is huge. not so much to you guys. if he can save a couple hundred bucks, and have the down time of the truck, the batmo vs elites atmo is a very real option to him. he wont care about max hp, like it seems everyone else does. he' goin to want cooler egt's, maybe quicker spool up, and more boost is a by-product to make him feel good about his decision. make him think he has something, and made a good decision for HIM. my opinion, is batmo needs to change their marketing strategy. there aiming the wheel/turbo at you guys. but to the guys that want the cream of the crop, they are goin to test it, see that another turbo performs better, at max rpm, and discard the batmo. pretty much like you guys have. they need to market it at the average guy, who wants more, but in a cheaper version billet turbo. one who gives up some top end, thus giving up some cost. cuz lets face it, the average guy, is not goin to be on the track often enough to care, or rodding his truck up at peak rpm on the street where bigr seen all that lost power. he's goin to be hooked to a trailer, or doin normal guy stuff. not playing johnny racer. i feel the batmo fits that market rather nicely. i would almost put money on, if they had done that, this thread would not exist. i think they underestimated the fact that, the high hp crowd, will pick everyting about a new product apart thats aimed at them, and it will either live or die, with no in between. because the high hp crowd, either has the testing equip, or the means to lay hands on it. [/QUOTE]