conventionals to hybrids?

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who has had it done?
who can do it?
how much does it cost?

and when it is done, does the size of the injector have to increase? or can you keep it the same size or lower? what options are there when taking conv injectors and turning them into hybrid injectors?

 

[FaSSt9602]

The only reason to do hybrids is to go big without having oil issues on the stock oil system. If you are trying to keep a smaller injector there really isn't a reason to go hybrid...

What size conventionals are you looking at?

 

[MorganY]

It's not cheap. The bodies are over a couple grand. Industrial makes no dilution bodies, last time I checked they were $2500-3500

 

[sleeps]

The only reason to do hybrids is to go big without having oil issues on the stock oil system. If you are trying to keep a smaller injector there really isn't a reason to go hybrid...

What size conventionals are you looking at?

i was looking at a set of used elite 275 conventionals. i want to send them in to get looked at and brought to perfect condition. but it just popped in my head, would it be worth changing them to hybrids or getting them and getting a dual hpop setup? if the price works out the same, hybrids would be simpler obviously, but if its too expensive i could work out a dual hpop setup and just get them freshened up.

 

[MorganY]

Depends on how much your willing to spend, how you use your truck, etc.

 

[Pizza pig]

Depending how they are built, turning them into hybrids may still require dual hpops. 275 Conventional with a hybrid body would be in the realm of a 340 hybrid. Depends what/if shims are being used, and what the internal parts are machined to. Who is going to be checking them out? Elite?

It will be similarly priced to use hybrid bodies as it would be to do a dual hpop setup.

 

[sleeps]

Depends on how much your willing to spend, how you use your truck, etc.

well it all really depends how much it will cost to make them into hybrids. and also, if changing them will make them bigger. it would defeat the purpose of making them hybrids if it shoots them up to a size that i would still need dual hpops. its just a street toy/secondary dd. i dont tow anything.

 

[sleeps]

Depending how they are built, turning them into hybrids may still require dual hpops. 275 Conventional with a hybrid body would be in the realm of a 340 hybrid. Depends what/if shims are being used, and what the internal parts are machined to. Who is going to be checking them out? Elite?

It will be similarly priced to use hybrid bodies as it would be to do a dual hpop setup.

i was really hoping i could keep them around the same size. i dont need 340's...
if i just get them checked out and freshened, it will most likely be elite, i just assumed might as well go to them, they are their injectors. unless i should use someone else.

i was hoping pricing would make up my mind. haha. guess everything is always a toss-up. would performance be any different?

 

[Pizza pig]

There is a loss of injection pressure due to stroke ratio changes in a hybrid, you add volume by diameter not stroke (like a conventional). With that being said You're going to make more power with a conventional than a hybrid usually. But there is a point where a hybrid will make more than an conventional. If you're dropping icp with a conventional thats too large for the stock oil system, youre going to make less power than a hybrid of the same size. Comparing say a 275 conventional stroke, vs a 275 hyrbid which has a volume capacity of 275cc but has the stroke of 205cc. A stock 05 pump can maintain a 205cc stroke with a 100% nozzle on full fuel. Any higher and you risk dropping icp.

Power is nothing without ICP, so I would talk to elite on what you should do, because I have no idea how they build their injectors. If they can pull a shim and drop the stroke down to a more friendly level then I would do hybrids. If you need to, I have a fulle set of 8 plungers, barrels, pistons, fuel plates if need be if you want to start off fresh I will trade up with you depending what Elite says they can do. The guys over there wil get you setup right either way.

But my guess is you dont need 275's either LOL

 

[Mdub707]

But my guess is you dont need 275's either LOL

That was going to be my question, you don't need 340's, but 275's are ok? Those are huge.

 

[MorganY]

If you have your own HPOP kit, or even warrens HPOP kit, its cheaper than hybrids. As Greg was saying. Conventionals make more power than equivalently sized hybrids (more ICP)

 

[MorganY]

What kind of air are you going to run with these 275's?

 

[kyle43335]

use the money for the hybrids and get big oil. conventionals will make more power then hybrids, when properly feed with enough oil

 

[sleeps]

There is a loss of injection pressure due to stroke ratio changes in a hybrid, you add volume by diameter not stroke (like a conventional). With that being said You're going to make more power with a conventional than a hybrid usually. But there is a point where a hybrid will make more than an conventional. If you're dropping icp with a conventional thats too large for the stock oil system, youre going to make less power than a hybrid of the same size. Comparing say a 275 conventional stroke, vs a 275 hyrbid which has a volume capacity of 275cc but has the stroke of 205cc. A stock 05 pump can maintain a 205cc stroke with a 100% nozzle on full fuel. Any higher and you risk dropping icp.

Power is nothing without ICP, so I would talk to elite on what you should do, because I have no idea how they build their injectors. If they can pull a shim and drop the stroke down to a more friendly level then I would do hybrids. If you need to, I have a fulle set of 8 plungers, barrels, pistons, fuel plates if need be if you want to start off fresh I will trade up with you depending what Elite says they can do. The guys over there wil get you setup right either way.

But my guess is you dont need 275's either LOL

thanks for the info, educational.

i talked to elite about them already. they told me i should have no issues with getting over 600rwhp out of them on the stock 05' hpop. thats a good question to ask about the shims though. dropping down size a little if possible may help. and thanks for the offer, if i do get the injectors ill see what elite says and get back to you.

no i really dont need anything that big right now, but for the price i can get them for, i can buy them, freshen them, and possibly have a dual hpop setup for just the price of buying new smaller injectors.

 

[sleeps]

If you have your own HPOP kit, or even warrens HPOP kit, its cheaper than hybrids. As Greg was saying. Conventionals make more power than equivalently sized hybrids (more ICP)

im looking into possibly building my own hpop kit so i can mount it where i want to. i still need to message warren about his to get a price (unless someone else knows) but ive also been looking at the elite twin hpop. either used full kit, or the diy kit. im waiting on elite to put together a list of everything needed to complete the diy kit.

 

[Pizza pig]

I hear you, what nozzles are on them? You will need fuel pulled back in tuning, so its not unheard of either. Just giving you worst case scenario advice. :toast:

 

[sleeps]

What kind of air are you going to run with these 275's?

ive wanted a procharger setup for a long time. but ive been looking at the compound kit in the for sale section too. but before i make any decisions on air, i want to see how all the work on the stage 4 pans out, or maybe the new stage 5 when it comes out.

 

[sleeps]

I hear you, what nozzles are on them? You will need fuel pulled back in tuning, so its not unheard of either. Just giving you worst case scenario advice. :toast:

they are 100% nozzles. if they were any larger, i probably wouldn't be considering them. he said he made 630 to the wheels with them and an aurora 5000.

if i need to, i can always install them and pull the fuel back until i put together the big oil. i understand, and i appreciate that. plus, building something in steps can be nice, get used to the power and you keep feeling like you are getting a new truck with each upgrade

 

[Redneck6.0L]

Has anyone proven to make more power with conventional stixs with big oil over stock oil with hybrids, just saying, I dare anyone. Prove me wrong please, everyone that holds an opinion on here, is this what you've read on here or is this something you have personally done and proved

 

[Mdub707]

It seems to make logical sense that you would make more power with a conventional injector than you would with a hybrid, given there is enough oil to drive either one. Just my observation, but would love to hear from someone who has done both. I don't see how they could make the same power, given the same volume size and a lower ICP from the hybrid...