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Message: [QUOTE="Powerstroked162, post: 775088, member: 120"] I've been around since about 2004-ish. I've worked with people as a customer, a friend, part of a race team, as a spectator and as a business... Industrial has NEVER had a good track record. 238 hybrids and p-pumps were the first to bring quality issues to light. I've lost count of the horror stories. Having been around for awhile, I've made great connections with some of, IMO, the best in the business when it comes to injectors. Hell, a close friend of mine has pioneered more HEUI performance as just a hobbyist than most of the people building injectors full time. I trust what we have discussed over the course of the last 9 years to be 100% accurate and never lacking in detail. Through their experiences and testing I have had the privilege to be a part of it. I've learned tons and I'm thankful for every opportunity I have had to do so. Do I flow injectors? Nope. Neither do you. Should I flow injectors since I'm not an injector builder? Nope. Should I have to flow injectors to know a good company from a bad company based off facts and experiences? Nope. Have you based your entire arguments off of a poor personal choice in choosing a injector builder? Yup. Could everything you have been crying about been avoided with some research? Meh, depends. You don't seem very receptive to much other than price and doing the opposite of common, so it's hard to say. In the end, I feel bad for you that you can't accept people who make purchases using facts rather than emotions or opinions. It certainly doesn't help you to attack those people for being consciences in their choices by calling them nut swingers. Either way, we will just have to agree to disagree on injector quality control, whose got their A game going on and who doesn't, and who people should send their money to and who shouldn't. I'm fairly confident most people here would agree that what people have asked for in a shop is nothing unreasonable. It certainly would save some heartache and frustration I know that . [/QUOTE]