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Message: [QUOTE="Charles, post: 677023, member: 103"] Performance metrics have numerical values. What NUMBER do you assign to that "harley idle" you describe there? You don't.... because that is not performance, it's bullsh*t, aka preference. What I described was performance. Temperature in degrees, torque capacity in lb/ft, power capacity in HP, ratio range in numerical values, starting output torque in lb/ft, so on and so forth. I'm talking about actual performance aspects and you're talking preference. Like saying blue trucks perform better than green ones... in other words, bullsh*t. Whereas I'm talking in terms of trucks with ____ engines vs trucks with _____ engines, paint color be damned. A distant second to that point would be full-manual control gaining back nearly all of the preferential aspects ANYWAY, lol. And once you drove a superduty with decent power and a full-manual 4R for about 5 minutes you'd have a whole list of preferential aspects that would make you spit at a ZF that you don't even KNOW you like yet!!! True story. LOL [/QUOTE]

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