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Message: [QUOTE="stroker2, post: 677853, member: 407"] Ridiculous accusation and reasoning. If your 4r is still together then you must not tow hard or use your truck either in that case Pretty sure they were mostly rated higher for the manual trans trucks, and some years were the same as the autos. And they didnt stop putting ZF's in truck due to your stated lack of durability. It was more along the lines of customers not ordering them as much therefore not worth it to make the expense of creating that option for trucks any longer Exactly. They are being less and less preferred and not necessarily because they are worse. All the lighter duty trucks get ordered with the autos because they deliver around town and do a LOT of stop and go. Except many concrete trucks are still being ordered with the eaton fuller manuals just like the heavier spec tractors becuase they have more weight to handle, less in-town driving, and less stop and go such as garbage, moving, container trucks. ^^^thats seriously the reason eh? Price may be a factor here but "complexity that may confuse some people too much?" I thought autos were easier, at least it seems thats one thing you have been trying to explain to everyone in this thread You have an answer for everything dont ya? Pretty sure TooSlow was just stating his experience with the ZF's and stating that he sees one exception in this thread being YOU. Not that he's poking at you. [/QUOTE]

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