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Message: [QUOTE="Morgan@Midwest Diesel & Auto, post: 688082, member: 8143"] Lol, see that's exactly what I mean. I don't go around and tout about how "reliable or cool" my automatic is. But it seem the manual guys are just so superior that all others that don't shift their own gears must be either stupid or lazy. I don't get it. The manuals had their place in a pickup. He'll I've owned ZF 5's and 6's. I still do. But I can go out and ruin a ZF by power shifting it with the short throw shifter I have in about three synchro breaking, lightning slow shifts under full power. I can also make it last forever by using it like it was intended ..... Behind a stock truck doing mediocre work. I've ruined them all even 4-5rs. The 5rs are by far tougher in stock form. And I couldn't kill the 6r .... Yet. But ZF 5-6 cannot handle ANY abuse without the syncro's taking a ****. Blown master/slave cyl, bent clutch forks, bad syncro's, broken shift forks .... etc. but I guess they must be so much more reliable since all you guys keep touting the reliability of them. I have two zf's right now. One in my pulling truck and one in my old pulling truck. But I drive an auto. Does that make me less smart? And I guess that the computer shift thingy that's gonna break so you can drive by and wave. It must be a problem i haven't head of yet? I've never had a TCM go bad. Come on now. We all understand you love your manual. But there is a lot of reasons that they were less popular and are no longer offered. But please don't say that autos are dumb because you don't have to be skilled to drive them. And really, the whole reliability thing isn't gonna fly here either. [/QUOTE]

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