New turbo

ja_cain · Apr 26, 2014

Hello everyone! I am pretty close to pulling the trigger on a new turbo and I'm seriously considering a Bell BASB. I am slowly putting together a nice towing setup for pulling a 5'er. What I am thinking is buying the turbo now and running it with my stock injectors with a hydra. Eventually I would like to pick up a used forged rod motor and then some injectors (175/80 probably). Then I will just swap everything over. I want a fun DD that will tow anything I put behind it without really killing the longevity of the truck. I know the Pius chargers are a little more spendy than other options but I really want to switch to a t4 mount and a want a turbo that spools quick but has low drive pressure thus keeping egt's low while towing up steep grades. I have heard that his chargers are really well designed and I like the idea of supporting someone like him by buying one of his turbos. Ultimately don't want to be more than 400 to 450 hp. My boss has offered to pick up the bill for the charger minus the mount. Current turbo is fine other than probably needing pedestal o-rings so I am not under the gun to secure the t4 mount right away. Still need to pick up an egt gauge and hydra anyway. I recently read a thread over in the OBS section where someone was running one with 175/80's and he was extremely happy with the performance of the turbo. Just want to know if anyone else has had any experience with this turbo using a similar setup. Truck has a ZF6 too so that is another reason why I want something that spools quick. Last thing, who would be the best vendor to go with? Thanks!

PSD POWER007 · Apr 26, 2014

I have 175/80's with a WW2 38r and love the set up. I have no issues with EGT's or back pressures with mine. And I tow 10k lbs several times a week without issue. I can't believe how strong my truck is empty or towing. Can't imagine needing more.
BTW, I'm on PMR's without any worries as I just work my truck and drive with some spirit...I don't beat on it.

V-Ref · Apr 26, 2014

Stock clutch? I believe Pius builds his chargers off "long scroll" t4i housings not t4. I'm not familiar with the basb. ..it may be t4.

ja_cain · Apr 26, 2014

V-Ref said:
Stock clutch? I believe Pius builds his chargers off "long scroll" t4i housings not t4. I'm not familiar with the basb. ..it may be t4.

It's different from the traditional qssb in that it uses the t4 mount. Clutch is stock but plan on running it till it goes then upgrading. No plans of towing real heavy right away anyway and will probably just run mild tunes to begin with. I am not hard on the truck by any means and don't run it all out. Just trying to piece together a nice setup for when I am in a position (financially) to purchase a 5'er camper.

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bruce · Apr 26, 2014

I got a nice modded h2e setup I'd sell you. Not much more for my whole setup as that turbo

V-Ref · Apr 26, 2014

ja_cain said:
It's different from the traditional qssb in that it uses the t4 mount. Clutch is stock but plan on running it till it goes then upgrading. No plans of towing real heavy right away anyway and will probably just run mild tunes to begin with. I am not hard on the truck by any means and don't run it all out. Just trying to piece together a nice setup for when I am in a position (financially) to purchase a 5'er camper.

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Good stuff...so the BASB is a QSSB in a T4 turbine housing?

I've had real good support from South Bend when it comes time for the clutch. Recommend you get the metal slave cylinder and updated clutch fork when that comes time.

Bruces h2e looks to be tough deal to beat...I think there's quite a few folks that have ran a h2e on towing 7.3s too on here...might ask for some feedback before you totally sunk your teeth into the BASB. Bells turbos are great turbos though too...

ja_cain · Apr 26, 2014

V-Ref said:
Good stuff...so the BASB is a QSSB in a T4 turbine housing?

I've had real good support from South Bend when it comes time for the clutch. Recommend you get the metal slave cylinder and updated clutch fork when that comes time.

Bruces h2e looks to be tough deal to beat...I think there's quite a few folks that have ran a h2e on towing 7.3s too on here...might ask for some feedback before you totally sunk your teeth into the BASB. Bells turbos are great turbos though too...

Trust me, I have seriously consider ed Bruces moded H2E but concerned about lag with smallish injectors that's why the BASB looks so enticing. Falls right in the range that I am interested in running long term (400 to 450). Plus I have a stick and want something that works well with it. If I was going to eventually run hybrids then I would be all over Bruces turbo. I want something that will initially be stock injector friendly too.

Thanks for the info on the metal slave cylinder. I was aware of the updates fork but not the cylinder.

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ja_cain · Apr 26, 2014

http://powerstrokenation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256858

This is the obs thread that got me interested in running the BASB.

Full force sells the turbo as does DP tuner.

http://shop.fullforcediesel.com/Bell-Turbo-BASB-BASB.htm

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ja_cain · Apr 26, 2014

PSD POWER007 said:
I have 175/80's with a WW2 38r and love the set up. I have no issues with EGT's or back pressures with mine. And I tow 10k lbs several times a week without issue. I can't believe how strong my truck is empty or towing. Can't imagine needing more.
BTW, I'm on PMR's without any worries as I just work my truck and drive with some spirit...I don't beat on it.

I appreciate the info. I noted this on another thread I started on another forum. If I was paying for the turbo myself I would probably just go for a 38r/ww combo or the brute 66 but since my boss has offered to purchase the turbo I figured why not just try something different. I am intrigued by the turbos offered by Pius and figure worse case scenario I can just sell it and go with another t4 mount turbo. I have a feeling that it is going to be a great turbo based on the little bit I have read. One guy said his truck (zf5 equipped) was starting to build boost at 1000 rpm. That is pretty sweet if it's true.

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V-Ref · Apr 26, 2014

OP

Recommend you try your best to ride in a pickup with the exact combo your looking to run.....nothing like putting several $$$ towards a combo and having buyers remorse because you took someones word for it that it was what you were after.

For perspective....here's a post that might be worth your time to read. Backpressure is the top guage...boost is right under that guage.

http://www.forddieselpower.com/forums/showpost.php?p=141149&postcount=1

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Should serve as a good pre-purchase resource for folks to use. I think the best way to ensure the truck run like you want it to (after you spend your money and build it) would be to ride in the exact/similar setup, and have a good discussion with the tuner(s) for your truck. Probably the toughest part (at least for me it was) will be for you to be honest with what your intended use of the truck will be.

Unlimited 400cc/200%
Stecher Billet Stage 2
Swamps HFHV IDM
TN Stage 2
S467.7 1.10 Turbine Housing
Mishimoto IC
SB DD Clutch

Both vids are in tune 4 of 6, Gearhead tuning. Drive, boost, EGT, fuel pressure, top to bottom.

Vid 1 is a 3, 4, 5 gear run. I did my best to make it a smoke free run (with Matt's tunes that's pretty easy) so that puts the accel pedal about 80-90%. It spools a bit quicker in hotter/smokier tunes, but I wanted to post a vid (like I'm hoping others will to) that would represent what tune most of us would drive our truck around in for daily use/towing.

Vid 2 is OD (6th gear) run from 65 mph on flat ground. I kick off the cruise, hit record. EGT started at 600-625 at the beginning, and I put the pedal to 90%.

I'll try to get a towing video posted soon.

In summary, for the S467 FMW with the 1.10 housing, enough HPOP, and 200% nozzles, and a ZF6...it looks like this turbo "lights" or becomes responsive around 800-900 EGT, and 1800-1900 rpm.

At 65 mph with my tires, engine rpm is right at 1800 in 6th/OD, so for towing it works great (even using cruise), 'cause as soon as there's a grade, boost is right there. Higher altitudes, or really heavy towing at slower speeds, I could see using a smaller turbo.

Enough blabber from me.

Post up your setup, and post a video or two. Compound dudes..make us envious. Look forward to watching this thread.

ja_cain · Apr 27, 2014

Nice videos and thanks for the advice. The problem is I have yet to find/make friends with someon ed that is into modding these trucks. I really wanted to try out a truck with a 38r and ac's (or a little bigger). I tried posting on one of the forums but could not find anyone near me. I may just have to take a leap of faith on the Pius charger. One thing I will do next week is contact Irate or DP tuner and see what they think.

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PSD POWER007 · Apr 27, 2014

Where are you located?

ja_cain · Apr 27, 2014

Richmond (Chesterfield), VA

V-Ref · Apr 27, 2014

Dyno, pulling, or racing events nearby would be worth attending. Finding the nearest diesel shop that's also a PSA sponsor/vendor would be worthwhile too.

ja_cain · Apr 27, 2014

V-Ref said:
Dyno, pulling, or racing events nearby would be worth attending. Finding the nearest diesel shop that's also a PSA sponsor/vendor would be worthwhile too.

You are absolutely right. I will have to start looking into that. I do go to pulling events but it's just mostly vintage tractor stuff.

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ja_cain · Apr 27, 2014

The other thing I need to check into is whether or not this turbo can be modded like the qssb could be to the gqssb. If that is the case then I will probably go ahead with the basb. Will call a couple of the vendors on Monday and find out. Thanks again for everyones input. I appreciate it.

Justin

liquidlounge · Apr 27, 2014

If you want to spend some $$$ , the S364.5 FMW looks about perfect to what you are looking for. No one I've seen is running it on 7.3's yet as it hasn't been out very long. It should flow like a 366 and spool like a 362. Talk to Barder turbo on this. He may have a few running. You can probably get one for just a few bucks more than the BASB.

ja_cain · Apr 28, 2014

liquidlounge said:
If you want to spend some $$$ , the S364.5 FMW looks about perfect to what you are looking for. No one I've seen is running it on 7.3's yet as it hasn't been out very long. It should flow like a 366 and spool like a 362. Talk to Barder turbo on this. He may have a few running. You can probably get one for just a few bucks more than the BASB.

Thanks! I will call them on Monday and ask them about it versus the BASB. Sounds like a tuff turbo. Need to read up on the fmw wheels.

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ja_cain · Apr 28, 2014

Emailed Jake at Irate last night and he got back with me this morning. He said the BASB is the same as the other turbo's (qssb, gqssb, etc.) except that it has the latest higher flowing compressor wheel and it utilizes the T4 mount instead of the T4i. It can still be modified like the QSSB could for higher output. He also said he has had several other costumers running it with stock injectors and it spool very well. It's not a "laggy" turbo as he put it. Still want to explore the S364.5 FMW option before committing to the Bell turbo but looks like it is the one for me. I will keep everyone updated as I gather more information. Will try to call Barder tomorrow and ask about the S364.5 FMW. Thanks everyone for their input.

ja_cain · Apr 30, 2014

I emailed James at Barder and asked him his opinion on the BASB vs the BW S364.5 FMW. Here is what he said. I hope he doesn't mind if I quote the email.

"I would highly suggest the S364.5FMW.* Flow of a cast 66 with the spool of
a cast 63mm.* Flow rating is 79lbs per min. 1lb per min behind the S366."

"Uses the 68mm turbine wheel, and should be used with a 1.00 t4 housing or
larger."

"That unit is in stock and runs $1375 plus shipping.* You can always mod
the turbo to a Billet 66mm down the road if you would like, but I can
assure you, you will be plenty satisfied with the S364.5FMW."

"Spool up is about as fast as stock."

So it looks like the new BW offering spools similar to a stock turn and the BASB might be similar to say a 38r. Both can be modified for bigger compressor wheels if the need to support larger injectors should arise. Decisions......decisions. It would be interesting to analyze the map charts of both turbos. I may try to get a hold of them and post them here so I can have someone more experienced at reading them weigh in. Anybody ever get a hold of the map data for a Bell turbo? I would think this one would be the most elusive. Will keep everyone updated.

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