rough idleing. bad icp?

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Help me stranded. P1280, p1316, rough idle after gtting on truck pretty hard but it wasnt hardest ive ever had it goin.
 

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You can run with the ICP unplugged, but that won't give a P1316 code.

What are you using to pull codes? Can you do a KOEO or BUZZ test to pull the codes from the IDM?
 

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Are you getting a SES light?

If it's the ICP, if you unplug it the motor would smooth out.

Pulling the codes would be the best way to proceed with troubleshooting though.

I suppose you could ohm out the UVCH's as a starting point if unplugging the ICP doesn't do anything.
 

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You can run with the ICP unplugged, but that won't give a P1316 code.

What are you using to pull codes? Can you do a KOEO or BUZZ test to pull the codes from the IDM?

not icp unplugged and there was oil in the sensor so i will have to change that any ways. but the p1316 code has the be the inj. circut cuz we swapped idms
 

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You can run with the ICP unplugged, but that won't give a P1316 code.

What are you using to pull codes? Can you do a KOEO or BUZZ test to pull the codes from the IDM?

i personally dont have a way to but i cud take to a shop on monday that works on crap load of diesels.
 

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P1316 IMO is rarely a bad IDM compared to it being a UVCH or a short in the IDM to INj harness somewhere around the VC or the actual connector to the VCH.

You need a multimeter so buy or borrow one if you need to. Pull the IDM connector and OHM out each of the pinouts. Follow these directions GB Technical Bulletin #103


Another thing you can try thats real quick:

engine off
unplug passenger side UVCH connector try starting
do same on other side.

If one does not allow starting you have your answer.

It does not completely rule out an issue but if it does not start it confirms an issue and the bank.
 

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P1316 IMO is rarely a bad IDM compared to it being a UVCH or a short in the IDM to INj harness somewhere around the VC or the actual connector to the VCH.

You need a multimeter so buy or borrow one if you need to. Pull the IDM connector and OHM out each of the pinouts. Follow these directions GB Technical Bulletin #103


Another thing you can try thats real quick:

engine off
unplug passenger side UVCH connector try starting
do same on other side.

If one does not allow starting you have your answer.

It does not completely rule out an issue but if it does not start it confirms an issue and the bank.

so when i unplug the one plug and try to start it and it doesnt start that means that side is bad that i unplugged.?
 

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so i pushed the connector in and wiggled it around and noticed it doesnt have the little clip that when you connect the two it lockes in so thats what im assumeing is it because it doesnt throw code and runs like a dream.
 

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well i let it idle today after moving it and it was running fine then was mowing the ditch and went to leave and it threw a code and doing same thing. so now i presume wiring on one of the uvch plugs bad possibly.
 

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Yep that is what it sounds like to me. The issue is lets say the plug was pulling out from the engine vibrations because it does not have the locking tab on the connector. When it slowly pulls out it many times creates heat and short. This can burn one of the two sides or the other end of the that wires connector.

You can pull the connector from each UVCH and at the UVCH connector use the multimeter same way as in those instructions. If the issue is in the UVCH it will show. If its not then you need to check between the IDM and the connector. The way to test the whole system was to do so at the IDM connector. You would still have to find out where but most of the time its the UVCH.
 

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so i popped valve covers because i remembered i replaced the glow plugs and thought that maybe i didnt get a wire on tight then i seen the plug that connects to the vc gasket was wiggly so i zip tied it but the tab was clicking just loose and it seemed to work. fingers crossed.
 

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I ordered a new icp. also taking to a mechanic so he can put his fancy snap on scan tool and see what the actual codes are tomorrow.
 

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The other thing to check as you did say you had gotten on it rather hard before is a broken flex plate. I am not sure how that would jive with the codes but I have certainly see it cause the rough loud idle issues.
 

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well i drove it yesterday and was normal for like 5 miles and then all of a sudden code came on and rough idle so idk really.
 

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