The need for bigger injectors....or lack there of.

sootboy

In the Brig (Banned)
Joined
Jun 5, 2013
Messages
264
Reaction score
0
Location
Maryland
I will be the first to admit, when tuning first came out for the 6.7 I was totally shocked to see the amount of fuel these injectors can deliver.
In fact I had to apologize to Bentley.

Since then here is what I have concluded.
This is all just my opinion but I did use good numbers where possible.

I consider 3200 pulse width a maximum number.
At 4500 rpm and 32 degrees of timing this is injecting fuel about 50/50 before and after top dead center.

In some engines that longer on time has a tendency to heat cycle and crack the pistons at the lip.

The 6.7 pistons are an open bowl design (no lip). In my opinion this piston bowl design works well in a higher pulse width application.

A stock cp4 delivers 180 lph of fuel at 30000 psi.
A stock injector delivers 22 lph of fuel at 1200 pulse and 30000 psi.
At 2200 pulse the injector will deliver 45 lph of fuel.
This is the area the injection amount that in theory will start to drain rail with 2 cp4 pumps.

The duramax lbz cp3 pump will deliver 230 lph at 26000 psi.
A cp3 /cp4 dual setup will deliver some additional fuel.

The fuel should still top out at about 2800- 3000 pulse width.

Consider that lower pressure in the injector will slow the operation of the injector down. That means more of the on time will be used to operate the injector versus deliver fuel.

That being said with the cp3 adding volume to the rail the cp4 should still be able to hold the pressure at 30000.

It would seem it would take dual 55% over cp4 pumps to deliver sufficient fuel to the injectors at a 3200 micro second on time.

The information in this post is by no means absolute facts.
These are just some rough figures i put together so that we could get a discussion moving forward.
Please if anyone has more precise figures add them in.
 

WHY NOT

New member
Joined
Jun 21, 2011
Messages
3,912
Reaction score
0
Location
Carlyle IL
So what you are saying it will take a lot of work to need bigger injectors on these trucks since the stockers can max out dual cp4's and still have room for more fuel?
 

sootboy

In the Brig (Banned)
Joined
Jun 5, 2013
Messages
264
Reaction score
0
Location
Maryland
yes that is exactly what I am saying.

I was really looking for a second opinion on some of the numbers as well.

Pro's and Cons of running the injectors at and above 2000 micro second on time etc.
 

TXGLASSMAN

New member
Joined
May 25, 2011
Messages
3,407
Reaction score
0
Location
Keller Texas
I was told once from a ford engineer that there trucks with minor fuel mods, example dual pumps that there injectors could push fuel to the 850+ hp range.

Now you can take that with a grain of salt I know I did. But ill soon be pushing my to the limits to find out for sure
 

sootboy

In the Brig (Banned)
Joined
Jun 5, 2013
Messages
264
Reaction score
0
Location
Maryland
I was told once from a ford engineer that there trucks with minor fuel mods, example dual pumps that there injectors could push fuel to the 850+ hp range.

Now you can take that with a grain of salt I know I did. But ill soon be pushing my to the limits to find out for sure

U will second 850-900 as a good number to reach before you need to get injector nozzles.
 

Latest posts

Members online

No members online now.
Top