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Message: [QUOTE="INFRNL, post: 1565558, member: 9835"] Dang...and I was just enjoying getting caught up and reading about oils. I'll have to check out the thread. I haven't seen much going on here, so I don't check too much. Anyway, anyone want to talk more about tunes? Andrew Arthur Finally got back to me and I think I'm learning something. recap of tunes I have run since 2012-ish IIRC. [LIST] [*]DP Tuner (2012?) [*]Bills custom PHP tunes (2012?) [*]PHP current tunes Library (2018) [*]Curtis Frost (Pocket) 2013 [*]Beans diesel (2013) [*]Powerstuck (2013) [*]1023 (2018) [*]Gearhead (2018) [*]SDK (2018) [*]Andrew Arthur (2024) [/LIST] Bill's Custom tunes are still my favorite but they are lost as I no longer have access since the Hydra was released and that server got shut down:cry: I'm not even sure if I have them on an old TS chip anymore...I can only find one and not sure what's on it. The current PHP tunes just don't seem the same and have little quirks. All of my tunes are good/ great but all have quirks of some sort and I'm not completely satisfied with any of them. Most issue have something to do with shifting and/ or idle/ noise. PHP tunes idle the best and are the most quiet. PHP, GH, AA tunes are all linear and seem more reserved using full throttle range. There are too many variable and tunes to compare. No one Tuner has the best of all tunes. I use my GH daily/ street tune the most for my driving environment. It has the best shifting and downshifting, which helps keep smoke minimal. GH tunes work so well that I do not have to manually turn off OD constantly as I have to do with all other tunes from the other tuners. I haven't done any scientific testing but my 1023 all out tunes seem to be better than the others but I don't know if it just feels that way or they are overall better. In the end, they all have their place and uses. My new Andrew Arthur tunes are a lot like PHP but smoke is minimal no matter what tune and clears up super fast. EGT's might be the best of any of my tunes. Only nitpicks are idle is around 800 and kind of noisy; otherwise really good and I might have a revision for downshifting. I don't want to drag this out longer than i already have. Just wanted to share some things I've noticed. I Imagine jelibuilt is more aggressive but similar. One last thing, there are only a few that still do tunes that I'm aware of. I think I'm more of a fan of GH and AA because of the lack of smoke/ EGT's the others produce in comparison. I'll have to think of better ways to try and compare overall power and get up and go; although most of my driving is typically mellow [/QUOTE]