Won't pull hill empty, no smoke

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Hello, a friend of mine just acquired a 2000? superduty. he has replaced the air and fuel filter. The problem is when driving empty it will lose speed going up a slight hill at highway speeds,won't maintain 65mph. No smoke either. It has around 200k miles so my thought was hpop but he said it was replaced recently. Is there a fuel filter on the frame? Like water seperator? The way he describes it, seems like its not getting fuel. Thanks guys!
 

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Is the trans downshifting and still no more power or is it holding gear no matter how much throttle?

If its downshifting and holding rpms not flaring etc then I would look at the fuel pressure first as other have suggested.

The next thing is the screen on the tank pickup could be clogged. If there is any pressure issues at all this is something that should be checked even if a new pump seems to help. It could be what burned out the pump in the first place. Prime the system to the pump and then pull the pump inlet line and see how well it flows from just the siphon effect alone. It should flow at least at the rating of the pumps output at pressure. A setup with 200K likely has seen some crap in its tank. This is why it helps to remove the screen and in its place run a water fuel sep prior to the pump. Any debris ends up in a filter that is easily changed vs dropping the tank.
 

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No CEL and its a six speed. Nope, even when it tops the hill and start going down the other side it doesn't get going like it should. He said it just kinda coasts up to speed. He has a 250 as wello he knows what it should be close too. What's a good way to check fuel psi? Will do the screen to probably when it gets close to empty.
 

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Well to be honest I would not be running it until I fixed it or at the very least run it very easy. Diesel fuel is what keeps the barrel and plunger in the injector lubricated. They are a VERY tight tolerance fit i.e. 0.0001" IIRC. Lack of fuel will cause galling and those parts are one of the largest cost in the injector on a rebuild.

As for how to check fuel pressure if you have the stock fuel bowl: To save myself typing and time I had this saved way back from the Swamps site:

Copied from the "How To" On Swamps Site.


Fuel pressure at idle should be ~60psi...+/-10

Turn the engine off, and remove the key from the ignition.

First, locate the filter bowl drain line, it's a metal line, that comes down the front of the pasenger side of the block...approximately 5/16" OD. If you slip a 2-3' section of 5/16" (ID) rubber hose over the metal line, you can drain the fuel into a catch pan without dribbling fuel all over the front axle/driveway, etc...

Second, drain the filter bowl, by turning the yellow lever on the passenger side/rear of the housing...

Now that the filter housing is empty, close the drain valve by returning the yellow lever to it's closed position.

In order to check the fuel pressure at the fuel filter housing, you will first need to locate the Allen head, bronze colored plug on the rear of the filter housing...it's located about halfway down the housing, and slightly towards the drivers side of the truck.

You'll need a 3/16" Allen wrench to loosen the plug.

The plug you removed is a #4 Male Boss (or #4 O-ring) plug.

To install a fuel pressure gauge, you'll need the following fittings.

(1) #4MB-#4MJIC (#4 male boss to #4 male "JIC") ...JIC is simply 'hydraulic speak' for a 1/4" 37degree flared fitting.

(1) #4FJX-#4MJIC90 (#4 female swivel by # 4 male JIC 90 degree fitting)...the 90 degree fitting is needed to allow the hose to not interfere with intercooler & intake piping.

Next, you'll need your hydraulic supplier to make you 40" of rubber fuel hose; one end of the hose will have a 0-100psi (liquid filled) gauge on it, and the other end will need to have a #4FJX (#4 female, JIC, swivel fitting) fitting installed.

It is not necessary to have crimped fittings, regular 'barb' type fittings and hose clamps will be sufficient for the low pressures of our factory fuel system. (~70psi)

Once you have the all the parts together, you can install the #4MB-#4MJIC fitting into the filter housing, followed by the 90 degree fitting, and lastly, the hose & gauge assembly.

No sealants, loctite, or teflon tape are needed on any of the "JIC" or O-ring fittings. When tightening JIC fittings, use two wrenches to prevent damage. DO NOT overtighten JIC (or O-ring) fittings, the flared ends, as well as the O-rings will seal with only moderate torque...typically 1/2 - 3/4 turn after finger tight.

Once all the fittings are tightened, and the fuel bowl drain valve is closed, you can cycle the ignition to power the fuel pump, and circulate fuel. Cycle the key 3-4 times, waiting approx 20 seconds between, to prime the filter bowl.

Check for leaks, at all connections. If a leak is present, an additional 1/8- 1/4 turn should be adequate to stop the leak.

Route the rubber hose to the gauge, away from any moving parts, or electrically conductive components (glow plug relays, batteries, etc) and up through the hood & cowl seam. Gently close the hood and fasten the gauge to the windsheild wiper (or radio antenna, mirror, etc) for short term testing.

Cylce the key, & once you see pressure on the gauge, you can now start the truck.

At idle, normal fuel pressure readings are typically 60psi +/- 10psi.

While driving, under FULL LOAD (uphill, foot to the floor) fuel pressure should remain relatively constant...

In my experience, fuel pressures lower than ~35psi can create a loss of lubrication to the injector...causing the plunger & barrel assembly to gall, as well as a loss of performance.

If your fuel pressure at idle is "good" but under load pressure drops below 35-40psi, you will need to investigate the cause of the low fuel pressure.

Typical causes of low fuel pressure are:
• Bad/weak fuel pump (located on the drivers side frame, slightly forward of the drivers
• Damaged/worn fuel pressure regulator O-rings. (the factory pressure regulator is on the drivers side of the filter housing, and attaches to the housing with 2, black colored, Torx#27 screws).
• Damaged/worn injector O-rings
 

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