TiAL water cooled wastegates

Dzchey21 · Jun 29, 2011

Anyone got any experience with them yet?

I have been looking into them with my new turbo set up because i know that im going to be needing to wastegate a decent amount around the high pressure turbo for probably some extended periods of time.

Here is a link
http://www.tialsport.com/prod_wg_mvr.html

I have a precision gate right now that hasnt been worked at all, just once or twice on nitrous, im thinking about running the water cooled and then also run the precission in line in case the 44mm gate isnt enough

I have been seeing some of these trucks with bigger turbo set ups that gate alot around the secondary turbo burn up precision gates

Tom S · Jun 29, 2011

Link is not working Dustin.

jdgleason · Jun 29, 2011

What is the advantage of the water cooling?

mike@haller's · Jun 29, 2011

jdgleason said:
What is the advantage of the water cooling?

The water cooling is for gate setups in tight areas where there isn't much airflow to keep the diaphram cool, 6.4 is a perfect example. I'm hoping the one I'm putting on takes care of the precision gate failures i've been having. The tial is a pretty nice gate with a thicker diaphram .60 versus .30 on the precision. It also has a big heat shield on it as well. The tial also comes with alot more spring choices to set the gate to the exact pressure you want.

Dzchey21 · Jun 29, 2011

this link work?

http://www.tialsport.com/prod_wg_mvr.htm

Tom S · Jun 29, 2011

That got it.

motoxracer42 · Jun 29, 2011

i have one on the race truck. you dont have to use the water cooling either lol i made sure before i bought it

jdgleason · Jun 29, 2011

97singlecab said:
The water cooling is for gate setups in tight areas where there isn't much airflow to keep the diaphram cool, 6.4 is a perfect example. I'm hoping the one I'm putting on takes care of the precision gate failures i've been having. The tial is a pretty nice gate with a thicker diaphram .60 versus .30 on the precision. It also has a big heat shield on it as well. The tial also comes with alot more spring choices to set the gate to the exact pressure you want.

Good to know! Thanks mike. So where would you run coolant from? Just come straight off the degas bottle? Or T into somewhere?

Spatel23 · Jun 29, 2011

How many other gates have failed besides mine? I'm just wondering because if its becoming a common occurrence this may be something that Id like to try.

I was surprised when mine went because my truck is a daily driver that rarely gets pushed hard (dyno/track). I suppose the lack of air flow was the main contributor to my failure.

mike@haller's · Jun 29, 2011

Here is some pics of one.

mike@haller's · Jun 29, 2011

Spatel23 said:
How many other gates have failed besides mine? I'm just wondering because if its becoming a common occurrence this may be something that Id like to try.

I was surprised when mine went because my truck is a daily driver that rarely gets pushed hard (dyno/track). I suppose the lack of air flow was the main contributor to my failure.

Shone I have failed 5 in the last year so far between my personal truck and customers trucks.

jdgleason · Jun 29, 2011

97singlecab said:
Shone I have failed 5 in the last year so far between my personal truck and customers trucks.

O man.... maybe the Tials with the heavier diaphragm is the way to go even if ya dont water cool it. Mike can you get the Tials through elite, or do they just use the precisions?

mike@haller's · Jun 29, 2011

jdgleason said:
O man.... maybe the Tials with the heavier diaphragm is the way to go even if ya dont water cool it. Mike can you get the Tials through elite, or do they just use the precisions?

I think tadd can get the tials or precisions but I'm not completely sure. I'm not sure that the tials are the cure yet, but I'll have one installed for testing tomorrow.

Spatel23 · Jun 30, 2011

Thanks Mike.
Let me know how things go. I had no idea that it was a common problem.

Im going to give Aaron a call and see about switching mine while he has the cab off again.

mike@haller's · Jun 30, 2011

Spatel23 said:
Thanks Mike.
Let me know how things go. I had no idea that it was a common problem.

Im going to give Aaron a call and see about switching mine while he has the cab off again.

David is the one that turned me onto these gates shone. They're running one on rudy's truck. They should be able to get you set up with one.

Shipmate · Jul 1, 2011

I used to run Tial wastgates on my EVO and my 96 GSX Eclipse. I never had one fail and they were mounted right on the manifold. Yes a gasser and ricer but 40 psi is 40 psi. I believe the Precision Turbo took Tail's design and made their own. Do not quote me on that but look at the pictures and see for your self. Tial has been around for a many of years.

Charles · Jul 1, 2011

My second stage gate is always blowing soot out the hoses because the valve seal is gone. A water cooled version might cure that. There's a lot of heat going on there. Especially if a person were to drive daily and tow heavy. Burns em up inside.

Dzchey21 · Jul 1, 2011

That's my concern too because I'm thinking I'm going to have to gate a good amount of exhaust around the secondary for extended periods of time

mike@haller's · Jul 1, 2011

Charles said:
My second stage gate is always blowing soot out the hoses because the valve seal is gone. A water cooled version might cure that. There's a lot of heat going on there. Especially if a person were to drive daily and tow heavy. Burns em up inside.

Thats how we found this one was blown charles was the big black stain of soot on the fender. On this truck its not only the heat in it but all the radiant heat around under the cowl where the gate is mounted. Here is some pics of the gate mounted, just about ready to go drive it.