499.1rwhp on Stock Injectors at Thoroughbred Diesels "Judgement Day" Dyno Event

[SICKS LITER]

the torque seems low for that number. lets see some track times.

 

[Mwilbur516]

There are unicorn trucks out there..... everything seems to come together just right to make magic.

Too bad they didn't make manual Hardly Ableson Edition trucks. LOL

 

[Super Diesel]

the torque seems low for that number. lets see some track times.

Yeah, we've found out that the more air you supply without upgrading the fuel - you'll lose torque. Your power will go up, but torque will go down.

Too bad they didn't make manual Hardly Ableson Edition trucks. LOL

Shaddap.

 

[SICKS LITER]

Id like to see track times. honestly my truck made 430 last spring and ran a best of 13.35 @ 100 @ 7100lbs. truck was quicker with an 03 turbo on vs my home made lly/6.0 hybrid. If 500 is obtainable that would put my truck in the 12s and i really dont see that happening with stock injectors. high 12s are what im expecting with the 180s i just put in my truck, i will know after tonight. Alot of time was spent with eric to get my tuning tweaked down to the nitty gritty as well.

 

[Snake]

Interesting read


http://powerstrokenation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97823



Summary of the thread: no one had heard of a 500 rwhp 6.0 with stock injectors and no other power adders.

 

[SICKS LITER]

just watched the video, those that havent should. dyno runs start in 5th gear and then shift into OD at WOT. thought there was somethin fishy.

 

[Charles]

Super Diesel...

Run down the road to Marietta and hit Arthur's Dynojet some time. Then you will have a number you can compare to anyone, anywhere on planet earth.

Uncorrected Dynojet requires no backstory to "calibrate" the number. It is what it is. It may be higher or lower than blah.... but it's ALWAYS the same!!!


You don't need to specify a million things in order to have a dyno reading to compare multiple trucks without track times. You just need to get on the right machine. Uncorrected Inertial machine. There is NOTHING to calibrate or set. You spin _____lbs and whomever does it quickest wins. Period.

And in the world of inertial machines, the Dynojet is THE standard.


All the other stuff is just for tuning at best, and wasting a bunch of time on at worst.

 

[Super Diesel]

Id like to see track times. honestly my truck made 430 last spring and ran a best of 13.35 @ 100 @ 7100lbs. truck was quicker with an 03 turbo on vs my home made lly/6.0 hybrid. If 500 is obtainable that would put my truck in the 12s and i really dont see that happening with stock injectors. high 12s are what im expecting with the 180s i just put in my truck, i will know after tonight. Alot of time was spent with eric to get my tuning tweaked down to the nitty gritty as well.

I don't have any plans to run my truck at the track until I get a built transmission... however, are you suggesting that my truck could be faster than the predicted time/speed for a truck making 500rwhp and weighing as much as mine? Because taking your truck at 7100lbs and inputting it into the HP calculator with your trap speed of 100 mph yields 482rwhp. Who's dyno were you using that read 430rwhp?

I've come to the conclusion that all of these references (ie. Dyno Numbers, Track Times, Track Speeds, etc) are just that - they're references. Tools used to derive how much power our trucks are putting down. I've often found that dynoing will give you one number, track times suggest another, and track speeds suggest an entirely different number. There are entirely too many variables to all of the equations...

I personally believe that dynoing a vehicle scratches out the most variables for change. And I believe in using the same dyno, with the same calibrations, with the same operator, under the same (if not similar) circumstances (ie. weather), etc.

Again, that's just my opinion.

 

[Charles]

I don't have any plans to run my truck at the track until I get a built transmission... however, are you suggesting that my truck could be faster than the predicted time/speed for a truck making 500rwhp and weighing as much as mine? Because taking your truck at 7100lbs and inputting it into the HP calculator with your trap speed of 100 mph yields 482rwhp. Who's dyno were you using that read 430rwhp?

I've come to the conclusion that all of these references (ie. Dyno Numbers, Track Times, Track Speeds, etc) are just that - they're references. Tools used to derive how much power our trucks are putting down. I've often found that dynoing will give you one number, track times suggest another, and track speeds suggest an entirely different number. There are entirely too many variables to all of the equations...

I personally believe that dynoing a vehicle scratches out the most variables for change. And I believe in using the same dyno, with the same calibrations, with the same operator, under the same (if not similar) circumstances (ie. weather), etc.

Again, that's just my opinion.

Or.....

Go hop on a Dynojet, lol. Alllllllllll of that bs above goes away, and you're left with a power figure you can compare with anyone else. If you're number is higher, you spun the rollers harder.

Period.

 

[Super Diesel]

Interesting read


http://powerstrokenation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97823



Summary of the thread: no one had heard of a 500 rwhp 6.0 with stock injectors and no other power adders.

Reading thru this now...

Super Diesel...

Run down the road to Marietta and hit Arthur's Dynojet some time. Then you will have a number you can compare to anyone, anywhere on planet earth.

Uncorrected Dynojet requires no backstory to "calibrate" the number. It is what it is. It may be higher or lower than blah.... but it's ALWAYS the same!!!


You don't need to specify a million things in order to have a dyno reading to compare multiple trucks without track times. You just need to get on the right machine. Uncorrected Inertial machine. There is NOTHING to calibrate or set. You spin _____lbs and whomever does it quickest wins. Period.

And in the world of inertial machines, the Dynojet is THE standard.


All the other stuff is just for tuning at best, and wasting a bunch of time on at worst.

Who is Arthur? What's his shop called?

I trust Bill at PHP with my truck on his dyno. Listen, I'm not a dyno mechanic/operator - so I don't know how you "calibrate" the machines or anything like that. I do know that you can have loaded and unloaded dynos, and you input the weight as you said - or hell, maybe that means the same thing - I really don't know.

I've seen guys with 46" tires dyno more than someone who had 35" tires, running the same tune. And I've seen guys with 37" tires dyno more than guys with stock tires. I know that having different gears plays a major role in getting an accurate number - how that translates thru the dyno and on to a piece of paper - I don't know.

But I'll be more than happy to check out Arthur's shop. Got any more information on him? PM me if you'd like. We're always looking for more places in Georgia to talk about performance G2Gs.

 

[Super Diesel]

Or.....

Go hop on a Dynojet, lol. Alllllllllll of that bs above goes away, and you're left with a power figure you can compare with anyone else. If you're number is higher, you spun the rollers harder.

Period.

Someone with stock tires, or smaller than stock tires, with 4.10 gears will spin the rollers a HELL of a lot faster than someone with 35s and stock gears.

 

[Super Diesel]

This was post #65 from the man, Bill @ PHP - here

If the goal is 500, then 500 is the ONLY acceptable result.

One thing to keep in mind on dyno numbers that many people overlook is that M/T vehicles will ALWAYS dyno higher due to the reduced parasitic loss through the drivetrain. An automatic trans vehicle will often see 18%-22% parasitic drivetrain losses while many manuals will see about 14%-16% loss. On a 440 HP truck, that 5% (average difference) can account for 20 HP. Plus, dynoing with excessively large tires will also have a negative impact on dyno numbers due to rotational loss from the weight of the wheels and tires.

Just food for thought...

 

[Charles]

Someone with stock tires, or smaller than stock tires, with 4.10 gears will spin the rollers a HELL of a lot faster than someone with 35s and stock gears.

Nope....


ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL of that mindset about gears and tires can be filed in the "who gives a sh*t" cabinet if you go hop on a DJ and make uncorrected pulls.

The only affect any of that can have is on a truck with a sluggish charger setup a super small tire and super high (numerically) gear might not light well if the engine can't get on top of the charger before it starts setting into the limiter or outruns it's sweet spot.

Here:

Dynolab. 678-560-0692


Arthur has been there for well over 100 pulls with just my truck. Jeff Garmon used to make pulls there back in the day, long before Dunbar existed. That's how I found the place. He's had a bazillion diesels on those rollers, so it's nothing new.

You drive the truck, he just straps it down for you and takes any data recordings you want and runs the software to display the data as well as start and stop the run for you/ apply the brake when needed, so on and so forth.

Simple as it gets. Have him set the graph to uncorrected and you can compare your pulls to anyone, anywhere in the country NO QUESTION.

When it comes to comparison pulls, all the other bullsh*t is just that..... bullsh*t.


On Edit:

As to your last post, I see no correlation in my pulls between 35's and 37" tires. Just so you know, with a DJ there are no settings, lol. You don't input anything. You just spin the damn roller. It weighs _____lbs and if you accelerate it from ____rpm to ____rpm in ____ seconds that takes ____ horsepower.

Voila.


And if you make sure you always compare uncorrected pulls, then the temperature, humidity, pressure and so forth have no effect. The value reported is the ACTUAL power output of the vehicle that spun that roller. While you may argue the accuracy of that number, you will not argue the precision with any valid support.

 

[Lowdown89]

Chris I know you said you wanted to wait till ya got a transmission but you oughta come up and run at the southern super heavy shoot out they are having at commerce nov 6th.. I think I have bill talked into going it should be a fun time seeing some of the fastest big body cars and SUVs around, run along with some diesels that said they are coming

 

[Charles]

Chris I know you said you wanted to wait till ya got a transmission but you oughta come up and run at the southern super heavy shoot out they are having at commerce nov 6th.. I think I have bill talked into going it should be a fun time seeing some of the fastest big body cars and SUVs around, run along with some diesels that said they are coming

You better have everything on your truck PEEEEERFECT if that smart ass little stocky M'fer is still handling tech for the diesels there. That hell hole is, or was very anti-diesel. Probably still is, although I haven't given a damn enough to go see in a few years now.

 

[Super Diesel]

Nope....


ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL of that mindset about gears and tires can be filed in the "who gives a sh*t" cabinet if you go hop on a DJ and make uncorrected pulls.

The only affect any of that can have is on a truck with a sluggish charger setup a super small tire and super high (numerically) gear might not light well if the engine can't get on top of the charger before it starts setting into the limiter or outruns it's sweet spot.

Here:

Dynolab. 678-560-0692


Arthur has been there for well over 100 pulls with just my truck. Jeff Garmon used to make pulls there back in the day, long before Dunbar existed. That's how I found the place. He's had a bazillion diesels on those rollers, so it's nothing new.

You drive the truck, he just straps it down for you and takes any data recordings you want and runs the software to display the data as well as start and stop the run for you/ apply the brake when needed, so on and so forth.

Simple as it gets. Have him set the graph to uncorrected and you can compare your pulls to anyone, anywhere in the country NO QUESTION.

When it comes to comparison pulls, all the other bullsh*t is just that..... bullsh*t.


On Edit:

As to your last post, I see no correlation in my pulls between 35's and 37" tires. Just so you know, with a DJ there are no settings, lol. You don't input anything. You just spin the damn roller. It weighs _____lbs and if you accelerate it from ____rpm to ____rpm in ____ seconds that takes ____ horsepower.

Voila.


And if you make sure you always compare uncorrected pulls, then the temperature, humidity, pressure and so forth have no effect. The value reported is the ACTUAL power output of the vehicle that spun that roller. While you may argue the accuracy of that number, you will not argue the precision with any valid support.

Hahahahaha! Are you for real?

Charles,

Who lied to you? I don't believe a word you're saying. Period.

By the way, I've had my truck on a Dyno Jet before here and guess what one of the readings was.... 100rwhp and 2000 lbs/tq

That little comment... "Super Diesel made so much power he broke the dyno" - yeah, they had my truck on the dyno for over 3 hours. Just mine. There ain't nothing special about a Dyno Jet. My pulls were ALL OVER the place.

Like I said, I trust Bill and his dyno.

 

[Lowdown89]

You better have everything on your truck PEEEEERFECT if that smart ass little stocky M'fer is still handling tech for the diesels there. That hell hole is, or was very anti-diesel. Probably still is, although I haven't given a damn enough to go see in a few years now.

I have never ran anything diesel there, but by the way the techs acted at fun ford when we run true street what you are saying doesn't suprise me in the least... I'm going more or less to see some of these fast Lincoln's,crown Vic's,etc i keep hearing about run. And figured if I could get in some test and tune lasses in the 1/4 it would be an added bonus but if they are diks I will keep my cash and just spectate

 

[Charles]

Hahahahaha! Are you for real?

Charles,

Who lied to you? I don't believe a word you're saying. Period.

By the way, I've had my truck on a Dyno Jet before here and guess what one of the readings was.... 100rwhp and 2000 lbs/tq

That little comment... "Super Diesel made so much power he broke the dyno" - yeah, they had my truck on the dyno for over 3 hours. Just mine. There ain't nothing special about a Dyno Jet. My pulls were ALL OVER the place.

Like I said, I trust Bill and his dyno.

Since I have no tolerance for being told I'm wrong by someone who doesn't understand anything they are using as support for their perspective, I'll just start by saying.... you're being an idiot.

Your runs were NOT uncorrected, on an INERTIAL machine. Know how I know that? Because of what you wrote above.

Call Arthur and go hop on an actual lie-detector.


If you need further explanation, feel free to call me personally. I"ll answer any question you have and more than quench your thirst for why the inertial DJ is the correct answer when the question is, where to take your truck to get a comparitive power figure.

678-878-6945


I don't take well to comments like this:

Who lied to you? I don't believe a word you're saying. Period.

I don't lie. And since I'm not mentally challenged and I have dynoed too much, for too long, on too many machines I am not confused on this point.

You and anyone else reading this thread should note that an uncorrected DJ pull would not take the place of what you are doing with Bill on that Mustang. The DJ will never give you that tuning environment. It simply gives you a NO BULLSH*T number that you can compare across the world. Something the Mustang WILL NOT ever give you.

 

[Super Diesel]

Charles, you need to chill out. I talked to Arthur and I'll be calling you shortly. It seems I've been arguing a bit in the wrong direction, and you didn't explain it to me as clear cut as Arthur has.

I will be calling Arthur and scheduling an appointment to visit him. I'm curious as to how this thing will dyno on someone who knows how to use a Dyno Jet vs the guys that I got stuck with beforehand.

 

[Charles]

Charles, you need to chill out. I talked to Arthur and I'll be calling you shortly. It seems I've been arguing a bit in the wrong direction, and you didn't explain it to me as clear cut as Arthur has.

I will be calling Arthur and scheduling an appointment to visit him. I'm curious as to how this thing will dyno on someone who knows how to use a Dyno Jet vs the guys that I got stuck with beforehand.

"Who lied to you... I don't believe a word you're saying.... Period..."

I'm guessing you didn't tell that to Arthur...

lol.



A person's willingness for perfect civility is decreased dramatically after basically being told they are a lying idiot, too stupid to know they were fed a bunch of sh*t from someone. Especially when that person's comments weren't based on what anyone told them in the first place, but on first-hand experience.


I'm glad you talked to Arthur. He can get you a for sure uncorrected number that you can carve in stone if you want.

And if you need to refine some tables and hold the truck in a certain range long enough to see what you're doing without being on the street, then Bill's mustang is an excellent place to be for that.