That was about the price I was going to have on one for you that needs to rebuilt at my shop. :thumbsup: Doing all your own work def. burns you out on it. Sometimes it would be awesome to show up at a shop and pick up a truck exactly like you want it. They could just call when its all done and then you would never know abou these headaches. haha
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That was about the price I was going to have on one for you that needs to rebuilt at my shop. :thumbsup: Doing all your own work def. burns you out on it. Sometimes it would be awesome to show up at a shop and pick up a truck exactly like you want it. They could just call when its all done and then you would never know abou these headaches. haha
powerstrokenstang
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Jason is dead on. I gave this block one last chance.
Seth thanks that would be great. A bare block is def all i would need, ill let you know. And yea would be nice but def could never afford what i have if i didn do it my self.
Is a torque plate needed for boring if the block is filled? Or what order do you do that in.
Seth thanks that would be great. A bare block is def all i would need, ill let you know. And yea would be nice but def could never afford what i have if i didn do it my self.
Is a torque plate needed for boring if the block is filled? Or what order do you do that in.
Big Bore
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Thats a great question on the torque plate, I'm going to have my block sleeved regardless, so it will need to be bored. I'm also interested in this heat treating, and wondering if cryo would do the same thing. As I understand it, part of cryo treatment is heat treating. Listening to horror story like yours is sobering and makes one take a step back and consider doing things that might take a little more time and cost a lot more, but in the end well worth it to avoid heartache like yours.
davey99ps
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Ouch bud, I feel bad for ya. I really hope you stick with it an get it going again, but if you decide to part any of it out let me know. You were great to do business with, an would gladly buy from you again. Good luck either way.
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I have a block i bought from swamp ratt im trying to get rid of only kicker is its bored .020 over.
powerstrokenstang
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I would only heat treat. We had one of my old cryoed forged rods rockwell tested and it was no harder than stock. At least heat treat will make it harder.
Cat_rebel
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So the cryoed rod was about the same hardness as stock?
powerstrokenstang
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Yup stock is 30-32 mine was 30.
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My limited experience with cryo'd stock rods is not positive. The block may benefit from a heat/cryo cycle on a full build, but it's a waste of money on rods.
Run 'em the way ford made 'em or go billet.
Run 'em the way ford made 'em or go billet.
Hotrodtractor
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Cryo treating is to help create a more uniform grain structure and stabilize the components by removing some internal stresses (by helping to create a more uniform grain structure) - it doesn't actually do anything to harden the part beyond making the surface hardness more uniform. I would have been more surprised if you had said there was a change in surface hardness.
Heat treating will depend on the operation used if any change in surface hardness is found.
Increased surface hardness does not necessary equate to a "stronger" part either....
Heat treating will depend on the operation used if any change in surface hardness is found.
Increased surface hardness does not necessary equate to a "stronger" part either....
Arisley
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A file is super hard. Don't drop it though, it will snap like an icicle.
Vader's Fury
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I hope you stick with it. Always been impressed with your truck.
powerstrokenstang
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Well there is now a block sittin in the floor the we are pretty sure 30 will clean up great. Thanks again seth!
cardiac
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I am having luck with this one, on a head stud, torque to 120 ft lbs.
No leaks yet and 40 lbs of boost
I am having luck with this one, on a head stud, torque to 120 ft lbs.
No leaks yet and 40 lbs of boost
Mike's Diesel Performance
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Jason, give me a call I have some info/ideas for you.
powerstrokenstang
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I suggest you measure THAT block with & without a torque plate installed...to see how much THAT block distorts...prior to any machine work
prior to having any block machined...we make sure that the block to be used isn't 'rubbery'...
we've had blocks check out ok prior to machining...and then have them turn into rubber after machine work....machining can relieve some stresses in the casting, and they can distort significantly.< those go to the scrap yard...even if we have a couple of g's tied up in them in machine work and labor.
if you don't have a torque plate...then you can measure the cyls with the heads (and mains) installed & torqued...you just have to measure the cyls from 'underneath'.
powerstrokenstang
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Ok thanks for the info, ill have to do that.
genie144
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Exactly... A rockwell test doesn't tell the story. Get some tensile done and you'll see the benefit.
There is a benefit of cryo over stock forged rods - depending on the power objective is whether they should be used in a build...
Sam
