how common is lifter failure .. actually

[swinky]

My 03 lifters looked rough at 226k. Good friend of mine has 290k and truck hasn't even had the heads off of it.

Ghetto fogging a truck wouldn't cause lifter failure. You could have a con rod hitting a counter weight or as wayne said a rod bearing. My 03 has been in the mid 800hp range for quite a while now and has a stock 250k mile short block (minus lifters and rod bearings) ghetto fogging is hard on these things and pretty ***kin stupid honestly.

Sent from my SM-N920P using Tapatalk

 

[Corys6.0]

I had lifter problems, my dads 6.0 had a lifter fail, my cousin, and about 6 other people I know have had lifter failures. Every truck I've seen it on has been taken care of


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

What's the best way to fix this before it's a problem? Also how much would this add to a bill while it's in shop being bulletproofed roughly?

 

[IIVonnyII]

What's the best way to fix this before it's a problem? Also how much would this add to a bill while it's in shop being bulletproofed roughly?

set of lifters between 300-1000 ( up where I am ) depends who you get them from. not sure in added labour

 

[IIVonnyII]

Ghetto fogging a truck wouldn't cause lifter failure. You could have a con rod hitting a counter weight or as wayne said a rod bearing. My 03 has been in the mid 800hp range for quite a while now and has a stock 250k mile short block (minus lifters and rod bearings) ghetto fogging is hard on these things and pretty ***kin stupid honestly.

never know , doesn't sound like a bearing . only way to figure it out is when I pull it apart. and mid 800hp? smaller injectors and a smaller charger? whats your secret..

 

[Corys6.0]

set of lifters between 300-1000 ( up where I am ) depends who you get them from. not sure in added labour

What's the best lifters to get? Has to be some better aftermarket ones.

 

[swinky]

never know , doesn't sound like a bearing . only way to figure it out is when I pull it apart. and mid 800hp? smaller injectors and a smaller charger? whats your secret..

Not sure what my sig says but it's 250/100 conventionals, a 369 and spray. It's a crew cab that runs 11.30s.

Does it turn over slow?

Sent from my SM-N920P using Tapatalk

 

[DEEZUZ]

What's the best lifters to get? Has to be some better aftermarket ones.

When I built my own, I went with SADP lifters. I guess they have a revised oiling galley and the roller sees direct oil pressure.

But, on the other half of this argument, is the fact that the lifter may not be completely at fault here. I have torn down some motors where cam lobe was wiped and roller still intact, just scored from the lobe. Usually when you have a flat lobe, you had a flat spot on the lifter where it wore through. Ive had the roller still rolling on a flat just fine, telling me the cam went first

 

[IIVonnyII]

Not sure what my sig says but it's 250/100 conventionals, a 369 and spray. It's a crew cab that runs 11.30s.

Does it turn over slow?

oh damn, that's moving. whats your race weight?

and nope, turns over just fine. I know its not nearly the same rpm or stress but it doesn't make the sound when its turning over either.

 

[swinky]

oh damn, that's moving. whats your race weight?

and nope, turns over just fine. I know its not nearly the same rpm or stress but it doesn't make the sound when its turning over either.

About 6750

Sent from my SM-N920P using Tapatalk

 

[Wayne]

I've never understood the "ghetto fog" thing. It's completely useless if it's not "installed" on the truck. Not like it's gonna improve track time, and it's not like most of these trucks are set up for nitrous either. When I watch it, I'm just sitting there thinking ohh, somebody just generated a bigger, totally useless number to pat themselves on the back with. lah-dee-frickin'-dah.

 

[IIVonnyII]

I've never understood the "ghetto fog" thing. It's completely useless if it's not "installed" on the truck. Not like it's gonna improve track time, and it's not like most of these trucks are set up for nitrous either. When I watch it, I'm just sitting there thinking ohh, somebody just generated a bigger, totally useless number to pat themselves on the back with. lah-dee-frickin'-dah.

it was a charity dyno event, for the less fortunate kids at Christmas , why not put on a show for a little more $$ for them. plus it shows the potential with a nitrous kit on there for net season at the track

 

[Luke@MillerPerformance]

I've see about one a year. Miles are all over the place. I had an 05 with 160k and religious 3k oil changes blow one 2 weeks after I did heads on it. Every since then everyone gets lifters. I don't care how many miles or service history.

 

[kwelch08]

I've see about one a year. Miles are all over the place. I had an 05 with 160k and religious 3k oil changes blow one 2 weeks after I did heads on it. Every since then everyone gets lifters. I don't care how many miles or service history.

Cheaper to do it when the cab is off and you're already there rather than have to put it back in the shop and it cost you twice as much when it could've already been fixed. Trust my I'm that guy that tried to save a few bucks and ended up paying for it in the long run.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Corys6.0]

Cheaper to do it when the cab is off and you're already there rather than have to put it back in the shop and it cost you twice as much when it could've already been fixed. Trust my I'm that guy that tried to save a few bucks and ended up paying for it in the long run.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

So in other words....While I have the truck in the shop to be bullet proofed, have them put new lifters in?

 

[kwelch08]

Yes sir and if you can afford it have the heads o-ringed Iirc it's not that expensive


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Luke@MillerPerformance]

Cheaper to do it when the cab is off and you're already there rather than have to put it back in the shop and it cost you twice as much when it could've already been fixed. Trust my I'm that guy that tried to save a few bucks and ended up paying for it in the long run.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Pulling the cab off is stupid. Especially if you are doing lifters. Pull the engine out the front of truck.

 

[DEEZUZ]

Yep. Pulling cabs is for flat bill shops so they can put it on Instagram

 

[sideactiondiesel]

We see failure from 90k -220k .... It comes down to maintenance and quality of oil used through its life cycle.

But we have also had new Ford shortblocks have failures within 1000-10k miles.. so things can wear...Valvetrain gemotry....Valve spring installed height coil bind and other things all play a factor. But my other opinion on the subject is spring pressure.. if you have a weak spring at higher rpm it can cause an unbalanced hammering affect on the roller of the tappet and cam lobe... A lot of things play a part in helping these lil bastards want to throw In the towel. Just my 02

 

[Wayne]

Yep. Pulling cabs is for flat bill shops so they can put it on Instagram

...or because it makes the entire job easier to have the body out of the way. I pull the cab whenever I can if heads have to come off. It makes more sense to me because 90 minutes of pulling the cab at a leisurely pace makes the entire remainder of the job much simpler. don't get me wrong. I've pulled many motors out of the front when pulling the cab wasn't practical like on motorhomes, work trucks with elaborate cargo racks that go over the cab, etc., but generally speaking, pulling the cab is easier for a guy like me. Shoot, I work with a guy who pulls the cabs to do a turbo on 6.7's. His hands are too big to effectively do the job cab-down, and he's in his 50's, so laying over an engine all day is hard on his back. Yeah, in that case it takes more time, but he's still able to get out of bed in the morning on the following day if the cab gets pulled. Due to that, I usually do the 6.7 turbo jobs when they come in our dealership.

 

[DEEZUZ]

Oh I know, was just joshing. It still has it's place