Injector issues?

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This afternoon i bought myself a project/work truck. Its an 01 F-450, ZF-6, 260k miles. The current engine has 130k miles. The story i was told was the guy bought it this spring with some issues. He bought injectors from Auto Zone, and a re-man HPOP from Ford. At the same time he installed a new clutch. Made it 300 miles and a nozzle broke taking out a piston. He took it to a shop where they bought and swapped in a clean, 130k mile engine(not sure on the year). They told him they did a compression test and it checked out good. They slapped on a ton of new parts and threw it in the truck. Since then the truck has had issues. The shop then told him they ran a CCT and #4 failed, so it needed a piston/re-build. Other than that i don't think they did any diagnostic work. At that point he had spent too much money so he decided to sell it, and i now have it.


The issue is the truck runs very rough, and is constantly blowing black smoke. Not blue or white, but black. Very hard to start, takes a lot of cranking to get it to fire, but once it fires it'll idle all day long. It also has very poor throttle response and no power. Its just a worthless pig. Hell its tricky to get it going because as soon as you let out on the clutch it lugs down and wants to die. Check engine light is on.


So i got it home and threw AE on it. It gave me a P1316(IDM codes detected), and a P1274(#4 injector high to low side open). Ran a buzz test and they all buzzed great, except #4 which was weak. Popped the valve cover off and verified that all the plugs were tight. Still no change. Swapped in a known good IDM thats been sitting here for a while, no change. So then i got curious and popped the solenoid off #4. The small rectangle piece under the solenoid was very loose, so i just spun it tight and lined it up with the solenoid. Ran a buzz test and now #4 was buzzing as strong as the others, but it then gave me codes for 2, 4, and 6. Fired it up and still no change.


So knowing that these are "BWD" injectors from a parts store, and that he had issues in the past and now has what should be a good engine in it, i think its all in the injectors? BTW i have a good set of AD's out of a 2000 T444E engine along with good OEM valve cover gaskets and harnesses. Plan is to swap injectors and run a compression test if i get time tomorrow. Just want to make sure i'm heading in the right direction.
 

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Thats what i was leaning towards.

Although the more i think about this, i remember there was an issue with the big fuel tanks de-laminating and clogging up fuel systems. I'm wondering if thats the problem i have, not sure if low fuel pressure would cause it to throw IDM codes and blow a bunch of smoke though.
 

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Thats what i was leaning towards.

Although the more i think about this, i remember there was an issue with the big fuel tanks de-laminating and clogging up fuel systems. I'm wondering if thats the problem i have, not sure if low fuel pressure would cause it to throw IDM codes and blow a bunch of smoke though.

I'm not sure if the 7.3's had that issue or not, I'm only 21, and started working on these about 5 years ago. Seen the tanks on 350's with 6.0's DE laminate several times though. And not saying the pump isn't weak, but I doubt it's your issue.

Pull the fuel filter and have a look. Look in the bottom of the bowl and see how much crap is in the bottom. The mixing chamber screens on the sending units are notorious for clogging up as well, always a good thing to check out on a truck exhibiting fuel pressure issues.
 
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Run a compression test before anything else. That will let you know where to start. If compression is bad jerk the motor and start over.

If compression is good, check the fittings between the fuel lines and the head. Thos see little fittings are one way valves with a screen in there. They an and will clog up. You can dissamble them, pull the screen and bore them out. They have cused a lot of mysterious fuel issues on a 7.3 motor.
 

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What about turbo issues? black smoke, no power, wants to die. Does the turbo spin? just a w.a.g. but you never know
 

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Every truck with steel tanks delams...

I'm only 25 though..... :rolleyes:
 

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Well yesterday didn't go as planned, didn't have much time to wrench and i'm missing my glow plug adapter for my compression tester. I haven't used it in 2 years, and i've loaned it out a couple times so who knows where the hell it is.

Anyways injectors are swapped. On the old injectors i found 5 injectors with tore o-rings. 4 were just the top sqaure one, and then one had both top o-rings blown out. Also found there were 7 Autolite glow plugs in it. :mad: All the rocker arms and pushrods looked alright, but i didn't pull em out to check em. The new injectors seem to be helping. It went from 3 injectors failing a buzz test and sounding fairly weak, to all 8 passing with flying colors. By the time i got it running it was after 11 last night so i only ran it for a couple minutes, but it seems to be a little smoother and a little bit better response. Its no longer throwing IDM codes as well. Still smoking a bit, but again i only ran it for a couple minutes. Gonna try to get it out today and run it a bit.

As for the turbo it had a fresh re-build and feels good, EBPV is wired shut but i haven't verified whether its open or closed. They installed a delete pedestal but didn't delete the valve itsself. Gonna slide the DP back and check it today.
 

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Same people that would buy injectors from a parts store!

Just took it for a 5 mile drive from the shop to my house, its running 10x better than it was with those "new" injectors. Before it was literally impossible to start in 1st gear, the truck would lug down and die. Only way i could easily move it was to start in low. Now it takes off in 2nd without too much issue pretty easy. Still seems sluggish, but i'm used to driving a modded 7.3 so i forgot what a stock 7.3 is like. LOL

Now for the main issue. Before it was black/grey smoke, and heavy. Now that is cleared up, and its a blue/white haze. Cruising i don't see any visible smoke, but if i roll into the throttle i get some smoke. And also still running sorta rough. I do realize that i just did an injector swap so it may clear up some. Gonna try to get the fittings i need to test compression and fuel pressure this week
 

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Lazy or stupid people. He said
It's wired in one direction so I assume it's wired open.

Thats what i'm assuming as well. I actually forgot to check it today when i buttoned up the intake. LOL Really doesn't sound like its closed though. I threw a 6637 filter on it as it had a stock filter that had the top housing SCREWED down with a orange(K&N or Fram?) filter in it. Luckily i bought 2 new filters a couple weeks ago so i had one to throw on. BUT i'm kinda surprised because i don't hear the turbo at all. Left my laptop at home when i went to the shop so i had no way to datalog boost.


Oh and the people that put a delete pedestal on and leave the valve, are the same people that re-build a turbo but throw the original 260k mile compressor wheel back in that is far from "good". :shrug: Luckily i have a clean stock OBS wheel i can throw in at some point.
 

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Could be why it's smokey. Probably not rebuilt with a good kit so it's burning oil from the turbo and not building proper boost so black smoke.
 

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Could be why it's smokey. Probably not rebuilt with a good kit so it's burning oil from the turbo and not building proper boost so black smoke.

I have thought about that, the guy said it burnt a sizable amount of oil so it would make sense if the turbo wasn't sealed good. Kicking myself because i sold 3 perfectly good SD turbo's and a set of bellowed up-pipes earlier this year. LOL Just gotta get time to put some miles on it to see what it does.
 

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I have thought about that, the guy said it burnt a sizable amount of oil so it would make sense if the turbo wasn't sealed good. Kicking myself because i sold 3 perfectly good SD turbo's and a set of bellowed up-pipes earlier this year. LOL Just gotta get time to put some miles on it to see what it does.


I've got a SD stock China compressor housing and wheel but they kissed a little. Lol. Id ship em if you wanted them. Doubt you do though.
 

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