2014 6.7 powerstroke making 601rwhp

[Morgan@Midwest Diesel & Auto]

If you want the stock bottom end to last I would go with a non vgt kit

Please, let's not get on this stupid bottom end scare tactic again.

 

[Morgan@Midwest Diesel & Auto]

There is a new emissions turbo that has been released that I am going to try and modify to make 600 plus with a wastegate. I am pretty excited to see how well I can take a pos turbo and make it a bigger pos.

When you actually have something constructive to say maybe someone will listen. Until then your mouth works much better as a cup holder.

 

[Morgan@Midwest Diesel & Auto]

:bowfast:Craig y'all made 643 on stock fuel. what's the difference in as367.7 and a s467.7. I know both are Borg Warner's and it's a difference in frames s300vs s400

No that was with dual fuelers. The factory 11-14 cp4 is only good for around 500rwhp depending on the dyno and day.

 

[Morgan@Midwest Diesel & Auto]

Let me start off by saying hello, My name is Noah I'm new to the fourm as this is my first post. I have been lurking and reading for around six months. I am the proud owner of a 2014 ccsb lariat fx4 6.7 powerstroke... I'm running KEM RACE files on a SCT X-4 and cain't say Enough good things about them the trans tunes are smooth as butter, and drivability is great. Hats off to Mike and Myra for great customer service :toast: also have a full 4inch flow pro and S&B intake

Here's the question I'm wanting more power goal is 600rwhp (6.4 killer:flipa
I daliey drive the truck and tow up to 18k lbs so I don't want to go crazy. With that said I'm looking at a turbo swap... And want opinions I'm looking at either Morgan at midwests 64m billet STREET MAX. Or a s467.7 from MPD also was planing a EGR Delete what are the advantages of removing the egr vs blocker plates..
Thanks for any help ,Noah

Now that other stuff is cleared up, let's get down to business. If your staying stock fuel, I would either go s300 or 2015 style. Tuning plays a big role in either one.

With the non-vgt, tuning will dictate smokiness and spool up. How aggressive it spools is directly in relation to turbos size and fueling capability.

The vgt, tuning will dictate spool up and how aggressive the boost comes on. However bad/incorrect tuning, just like with the stock turbo you have, can cause too much (yes there is such a thing) low end torque which can stress the rods to a point of failure. And you don't want that.

For overall responsiveness and the best drivability the vgt wins. But if you're more worried about all out power then the non-vgt route is more your style.

Instead of making a sales pitch and telling you that you need ours, I'm telling you the differences. You need to buy what you think will work beet for you. We've had our non-vgt kits going for about a year. But due to several changes and trying to come out with a better/ more universal setup we will not be releasing till closer to the end of the year for s3-400 kits. Been a long process but I am very pleased at how they are turning out.

 

[jordan572]

When you actually have something constructive to say maybe someone will listen. Until then your mouth works much better as a cup holder.

:blah:

 

[MadDiesel73]

I love love love the 364.5. Spools instantly, makes great power, never seen over 1250 egt wot, smoke free unless of course you mash it at a stop even then its just a puff And spool and clear. Imo its the perfect stock fuel single turbo. With duel fuelers the turbine is a restriction so steping up to a 70/71/73/74 turbine is a good option.

 

[Cheap6.7]

Please, let's not get on this stupid bottom end scare tactic again.

Lol

 

[Craig@MFI]

Please, let's not get on this stupid bottom end scare tactic again.

It's not a tactic no one has yet to prove a bottom end can stay together at 600 hp with a vgt turbo and until then that's my opinion and everyone has one

Now I'm not saying it can't happen it very well could but it has not be proven point blank

 

[Craig@MFI]

:bowfast:Craig y'all made 643 on stock fuel. what's the difference in as367.7 and a s467.7. I know both are Borg Warner's and it's a difference in frames s300vs s400

Stock injectors with dual pumps

We did make 535 on stock pump with a cast 63/68 s300

 

[Morgan@Midwest Diesel & Auto]

It's not a tactic no one has yet to prove a bottom end can stay together at 600 hp with a vgt turbo and until then that's my opinion and everyone has one

Now I'm not saying it can't happen it very well could but it has not be proven point blank

An opinion is fine.

But that isn't what you really said,

If you want the stock bottom end to last I would go with a non vgt kit

There has been trucks with 366's blow rods out too. They've also blew them out with the sh*tty little stock turbo. Then one 2015 turbo truck with dual fuelers and incorrect tuning blows rods and suddenly all vgt trucks are gonna blow... Nah. Don't buy it.

What I'm saying is that you can't blame the turbo for everything. Tuning and the way the person beats their truck has the majority to do with it.

I guess agree to disagree.

 

[ChattyCathy]

It's not a tactic no one has yet to prove a bottom end can stay together at 600 hp with a vgt turbo and until then that's my opinion and everyone has one

Now I'm not saying it can't happen it very well could but it has not be proven point blank

Oh come on for 3k plus a wastegate you can have a real nice paper weight so yore dyno papers don't get scared away.

 

[Craig@MFI]

An opinion is fine.

But that isn't what you really said,




There has been trucks with 366's blow rods out too. They've also blew them out with the sh*tty little stock turbo. Then one 2015 turbo truck with dual fuelers and incorrect tuning blows rods and suddenly all vgt trucks are gonna blow... Nah. Don't buy it.

What I'm saying is that you can't blame the turbo for everything. Tuning and the way the person beats their truck has the majority to do with it.

I guess agree to disagree.

I don't disagree with the 15 turbo in fact we are making a line of turbos in house that will range in size but they are not proving to hold over what they do now with stock fuel and you can't deny that is Un proven and there are a number of trucks out there 1 dallas pen ran a 12.2 on stock bottom end with dual pumps..Two truck source diesel with there 11.8 stock bottom end 6.7 with dual pumps and a list thay goes on and on..

Now tell me your list of 15 turbos on stock bottom end laying down over 600 and holding together and I will put my argument to rest

 

[Craig@MFI]

Oh come on for 3k plus a wastegate you can have a real nice paper weight so yore dyno papers don't get scared away.

Lol I think that's the funniest thing I've heard in a long time

 

[Morgan@Midwest Diesel & Auto]

Oh come on for 3k plus a wastegate you can have a real nice paper weight so yore dyno papers don't get scared away.

Quiet cup holder.

I don't disagree with the 15 turbo in fact we are making a line of turbos in house that will range in size but they are not proving to hold over what they do now with stock fuel and you can't deny that is Un proven and there are a number of trucks out there 1 dallas pen ran a 12.2 on stock bottom end with dual pumps..Two truck source diesel with there 11.8 stock bottom end 6.7 with dual pumps and a list thay goes on and on..

Now tell me your list of 15 turbos on stock bottom end laying down over 600 and holding together and I will put my argument to rest

Yes, I understand the t4 kits work. Ive owned two 6.7's with them. That is nothing new. And those kits have been out for years now? We are just getting a vgt charger setup that didn't exist 6 months ago. How can I prove anything?

Only thing I can prove is that I've had mine at mid 500 rwhp levels for quite a while. And currently I don't think anyone else has the miles or abuse at that power level other than me. Of course it's unproven, it's new. But that doesn't mean it's proved to be unreliable either. Only time can do that. I've got 4k at 540+ with the 64mm version with zero issues. I've got customers with lot more miles than that on our modded 15 chargers. IMO at sub 600hp there is no issues. None in any of 30+ turbos/kits we've sold have failed. So at this point I don't think anyone has a huge problem to worry about.

Past 600 rwhp, time will tell.

The turbo itself cannot physically harm the engine, the tune and driver do.

 

[Craig@MFI]

Quiet cup holder.





Yes, I understand the t4 kits work. Ive owned two 6.7's with them. That is nothing new. And those kits have been out for years now? We are just getting a vgt charger setup that didn't exist 6 months ago. How can I prove anything?

Only thing I can prove is that I've had mine at mid 500 rwhp levels for quite a while. And currently I don't think anyone else has the miles or abuse at that power level other than me. Of course it's unproven, it's new. But that doesn't mean it's proved to be unreliable either. Only time can do that. I've got 4k at 540+ with the 64mm version with zero issues. I've got customers with lot more miles than that on our modded 15 chargers. IMO at sub 600hp there is no issues. None in any of 30+ turbos/kits we've sold have failed. So at this point I don't think anyone has a huge problem to worry about.

Past 600 rwhp, time will tell.

The turbo itself cannot physically harm the engine, the tune and driver do.

And I'm not saying the chargers are bad at all I'm just saying engine wise I personally think they are going to be to hard on bottom end but all of us have different opinions

 

[Morgan@Midwest Diesel & Auto]

And I'm not saying the chargers are bad at all I'm just saying engine wise I personally think they are going to be to hard on bottom end but all of us have different opinions

Ok, I may have misunderstood you to a point. And I agree on the opinions. We are both pretty set on them lol.

I'm just saying is that there is a market for people who specifically don't want/need a t4 kit. And for the people not wanting tons of power these are a good option. IMO they can/will be just as rock solid reliable.

And there is always going to be people at the crossroads in making decisions whether to stay vgt or go non-vgt. That's the beauty of options.

 

[Fox]

I would imagine anyone really going for broke on power levels is going to go non-VGT anyhow.

but there are plenty of people, me included, that are going to want something that's a simple drop in that looks kinda stock, and that a factory transmission will stay alive behind it on a tow tune.

The glory of the '15 charger is that it's a stock piece that anyone with an 11-14 truck can drop in to get away from the "dual boost" unreliability shenanigans.

without rambling on too far, I think we can all agree they both have their own place.

Craig, do you really think a 64mm '15 charger, wastegated with enough fuel and proper tuning won't hold up to the 600RWHP level? That's all the OP was really asking for anyhow, and I don't think anyone actually knows the answer yet.

I'm not trying to step on toes or draw lines here at all, I just think it should be given its chance.

 

[Craig@MFI]

I would imagine anyone really going for broke on power levels is going to go non-VGT anyhow.

but there are plenty of people, me included, that are going to want something that's a simple drop in that looks kinda stock, and that a factory transmission will stay alive behind it on a tow tune.

The glory of the '15 charger is that it's a stock piece that anyone with an 11-14 truck can drop in to get away from the "dual boost" unreliability shenanigans.

without rambling on too far, I think we can all agree they both have their own place.

Craig, do you really think a 64mm '15 charger, wastegated with enough fuel and proper tuning won't hold up to the 600RWHP level? That's all the OP was really asking for anyhow, and I don't think anyone actually knows the answer yet.

I'm not trying to step on toes or draw lines here at all, I just think it should be given its chance.

I think it will make it to 600 yes...engine hold the power and instant torque no I honestly believe the rods will fail hit that's my belief I could be wrong but there are alot of non vgt trucks on stock transmission making mid 600s and have been put threw abuse for some time now

 

[Fox]

thanks for the honest response, so you're kind of counting on the turbo not to spool up in time to make enough power to hurt the factory rods down low then I'm guessing?

that seems more like a limitation of the factory motor rather than the VGT's fault, I would think it could easily be tuned around, but at that point you are leaving power on the table, do you believe Forged rods would pretty much eliminate that concern?

 

[Morgan@Midwest Diesel & Auto]

I have no problem being the guinea pig. Right now I'm in the 575 area with these tunes and the current setup. And I have been for a while. Which is very close to 600. We will be going back to the dyno to push a little more pw to get 600. But as smooth as the power comes on I really don't see any issues. It's a far cry from the "light switch" description a lot of people who have never been around it like to describe vgt's. The power comes in very linear. All we have to do is add fuel to the top end and keep making more hp. The fuel will not hit hard down low because all the fueling tables are boost based. So we just add pw to the tables for full boost fueling and the other low boost area stay very mellow. Drive ability is just like stock without smoking at all. And when you hit full boost at wot it moves extremely well.


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