59mm billet or titanium ?

[Diesel23]

hey guys ,on my 6.4 turbo set up , went with the 71mm (billet wheel ) for the Lp side , On the Hp side im going with the 59mm (____wheel?), My question is I have an option for the billet wheel or the titanium alloy ? The wheels are borg warner , the titanium is a new severe duty wheel ,i believe its heavier then the billet but flows better? any input - thanks guys for all the input
Sorry forgot pics here is one, billet on left

 

[BFT]

What's the cost difference? I've heard Borg Warner is doing good things out there on race cars

 

[dstryr]

What's the cost difference? I've heard Borg Warner is doing good things out there on race cars

The titanium has to be 10x as expensive.... I'd be very surprised if it isn't...

 

[Diesel23]

No cost difference!!! Its a experemetial!! To the shop so asked if I wanted to try it

 

[BOSS450]

Ill take it then lol

 

[SSpeeDEMONSS]

experimental as it has never been used before and could grenade? or just unknown gains/loses?

Garrett

 

[shmoozer]

^^whs
If the shop is willing to replace anything that gets wiped out should it have a catastrophic failure then I would say go for it. If not then I'd be a little hesitant.


-KCCO-

 

[Diesel23]

Experimental on gains and losses!! Suppose to be very strong and should take the abuse ,severe duty !! My worry is the weight, it weighs almost double what the billet one weights, but supposably the design out weighs it. For flow anyway

 

[bigrpowr]

Titanium from what I know works very well and does not expand whatsoever on overspeed conditions.

 

[HOOV3R]

Go for the titanium, I wouldn't be too worried about it grenading due to the characteristics of titanium.

 

[Smokyred]

I'd go with the titanium and get it balanced.

Dave

 

[Diesel23]

Thanks guys , titanium Ti it is !!!

 

[BFT]

I would try it. Airwerks by borgwarner have been doing performance but more towards imports and gassers. Maybe they are trying to get into the diesel performance

 

[B585Ford]

Are you positive about the weight??? Besides the properties already mentioned...corrosion resistance, excellent strength, etc., titanium is known to be a less dense metal (especially considering its superior strength). It is expensive so that is why we don't commonly see it, but it is used when high strength with low weight is needed such as in the aerospace industries.

 

[Smokyred]

Are you positive about the weight??? Besides the properties already mentioned...corrosion resistance, excellent strength, etc., titanium is known to be a less dense metal (especially considering its superior strength). It is expensive so that is why we don't commonly see it, but it is used when high strength with low weight is needed such as in the aerospace industries.

:whs: It's also more expensive to machine.

Dave

 

[Pizza pig]

titanium is VERY light, always used titanium shafts for lacrosse, over the aluminum alloys, stronger and lighters, but twice the price.

 

[B585Ford]

Oh yeah, forgot to mention it, but I am pretty sure it has a little higher melting point than carbon steel, stainless steel, or iron. I always thought that cost was the main reason we didn't see them in engine components.

 

[dstryr]

Oh yeah, forgot to mention it, but I am pretty sure it has a little higher melting point than carbon steel, stainless steel, or iron. I always thought that cost was the main reason we didn't see them in engine components.

raw material and machining cost. titanium is about 5x longer to machine than aluminum

 

[B585Ford]

raw material and machining cost. titanium is about 5x longer to machine than aluminum

That makes sense.

 

[tensixniner]

Titanium is heavier than aluminum but also stronger.
Manufacturing procedures can take advantage of its strength and minimize the amount of material used resulting in a part that is lighter compared to the same aluminum part. There are different alloys just like aluminum. It's still generally more difficult to work with and more $$ to start with so there has to be good justification to use it.

I'd love to hear more info about this wheel.