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Message: [QUOTE="Morgan@Midwest Diesel & Auto, post: 988385, member: 8143"] Fair enough, But for clarification, what we are comparing is, air to air vs. air to water to air. Just for a very crude example. Let's say air temperature absorption can achieve temps within 120% (80% efficient) of its own temp And water temperature absorption is 105% (95% efficient) of its own temp. Air to air at 90* ambient has the ability to cool to 108* by that percentage. Water to air is more efficient, correct, obviously is can cool to a lower percentage. But our first step is that the air @ 90* must cool the water to is best same ability, so now the water is 108*, then the water now has the ability to absorb the heat of the charge air to 105% of its own temp of 108* which is 113.4*. Now keep in mind there are way more factors involved in real life. This test would have to be done with so many factors equaled out that it would be very hard to duplicate. Most of the outside factors would hurt the three stage "air to water to air" such as heat soak of the extra components, parasitic drag of the coolant circulation pump and various others. Every time you go through a cooling transfer you lose efficiency. That is a fact that is irrefutable. When you are still using the same ultimate cooling source (the outside ambient air) the more steps you put it through the less effective is becomes. There is absolutely no way around that. Two stage "air to air" > Three stage "air to water to air" "Ice water to air" > both of those two [/QUOTE]

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