Airdog Set Pressure

[tensixniner]

That is wild that u get less flow with more psi. Can u elaborate on why?

I'm not to clear on the physics of it. But basically as mentioned already pressure comes from a resistance to flow. There's vids on YouTube that explain it better, I'll see if I can find one.

The specs on the Airdog filters surprised me as well.

 

[Newstroker]

I read the thread on comp d which was very informative. I appreciate everyone chiming in on this.

 

[SEABEE08FX4]

If your lift pump can flow at least 90 GPH at 10 PSI the thats all most of you will need, turning it up to 20 psi like stated earlier will gain you nothing. Take it or leave it but if your HPFP can only consume so much at a time increasing pressure on the lift pump won't gain you squat.

 

[Fast-6.0]

If your lift pump can flow at least 90 GPH at 10 PSI the thats all most of you will need, turning it up to 20 psi like stated earlier will gain you nothing. Take it or leave it but if your HPFP can only consume so much at a time increasing pressure on the lift pump won't gain you squat.

Eric,

You need to actually try stuff before you say it as gospel on here. Your comments tell the people, who have tested, your lack of knowledge and experience in the subject matter. You told members that turning up inlet pressure to the HPFP to 20 will gain them nothing. FYI to all PSA members, just because SEABEE08FX4 posts it, does not mean its true. A huge peeve of mine is a vendor coming on a forum and stating misinformation when they have yet to actually test anything, (very similar to a turbo thread you are posting in, when you have not tested but are pushing the product you sell without any actual true data). Do the forum members here a service and quit posting information that you can't back up.

I will back up my comments. We at Elite have tested (as have others). We set the pulse width as high as we could and still maintain rail pressure. Then we raised the inlet pressure to the hpfp. We were able to now increase the pulse width more. Again we raised inlet pressure to the hpfp and again we were able to increase pulse width. Eventually the gains quit increasing but there are gains past 10psi.

I know Elite has proven what we say as many customers have been able to reproduce our claims as we have many high horsepower trucks running our combos. These high hp combos require a strong fuel system.

Can Eric Newell say the same thing? Can you guarantee that a forum member will gain "nothing" by setting the inlet psi to 20psi?

 

[SEABEE08FX4]

Eric,

You need to actually try stuff before you say it as gospel on here. Your comments tell the people, who have tested, your lack of knowledge and experience in the subject matter. You told members that turning up inlet pressure to the HPFP to 20 will gain them nothing. FYI to all PSA members, just because SEABEE08FX4 posts it, does not mean its true. A huge peeve of mine is a vendor coming on a forum and stating misinformation when they have yet to actually test anything, (very similar to a turbo thread you are posting in, when you have not tested but are pushing the product you sell without any actual true data). Do the forum members here a service and quit posting information that you can't back up.

I will back up my comments. We at Elite have tested (as have others). We set the pulse width as high as we could and still maintain rail pressure. Then we raised the inlet pressure to the hpfp. We were able to now increase the pulse width more. Again we raised inlet pressure to the hpfp and again we were able to increase pulse width. Eventually the gains quit increasing but there are gains past 10psi.

I know Elite has proven what we say as many customers have been able to reproduce our claims as we have many high horsepower trucks running our combos. These high hp combos require a strong fuel system.

Can Eric Newell say the same thing? Can you guarantee that a forum member will gain "nothing" by setting the inlet psi to 20psi?

Well Tad,

I know you said you ignored Ford's recomendation of 10 PSI maximum, but what else do you ignore ? Maybe thats why your ZZ fab intakes wouldnt bolt up to the factory heads because the bolt holes were off, easy mistake sure but if you test everything as you say you do surely you Tad would have caught that. Or what about the fitment of the factory turbos with that same intake, surely again if you tested the fitment of it you would have caught that little blunder as well. Or wait what about the first EGR delete kits you marketed for the 6.4 that would spit crank case vent oil out all over your motor because you were useing a paper gasket instead of a double o-ring surely you caught that too with your testing right? I would guess no to that last one as I personally went through that on my own truck. So I dont know what kind of testing you do personally but there have been other members on this forum as well as others who have posted that turning it up past 10 PSI had some side effects and no possitive that they found. When have you ever looked my truck over to know what I have done or not ? I mean your spouting off as if you know so much about me and my back ground as well as my truck ( in which I'm the onlyt one that works on it), in reality I know much more about you. In fact I don't just sell parts I'm the mechanic at our shop too, Cummins, Duramax and Powerstroke I work on them all. I wasnt trying to make this personal but if you want to try to discredit what I'm saying then lets go, get your big boy pants on and lets see how far you want to take it.

Now back to the subject of the thread, I can explain it in another sense if you would like. In an electrical application as resistance ( PSI in this case ) went up, current would go down ( GPH in this case ).

I'd like you to explain how the HPFP that can only swallow so much fuel at a time can gain anything other than problems by increasing the PSI when it won't make it swallow fuel any faster.

Whats your 6.4 race truck set to?

As to the products we carry we would carry yours as well if they could be had in a reasonable time line, how ever..........

 

[Heavyhaul]

Well Tad,

I know you said you ignored Ford's recomendation of 10 PSI maximum, but what else do you ignore ? Maybe thats why your ZZ fab intakes wouldnt bolt up to the factory heads because the bolt holes were off, easy mistake sure but if you test everything as you say you do surely you Tad would have caught that. Or what about the fitment of the factory turbos with that same intake, surely again if you tested the fitment of it you would have caught that little blunder as well. Or wait what about the first EGR delete kits you marketed for the 6.4 that would spit crank case vent oil out all over your motor because you were useing a paper gasket instead of a double o-ring surely you caught that too with your testing right? I would guess no to that last one as I personally went through that on my own truck. So I dont know what kind of testing you do personally but there have been other members on this forum as well as others who have posted that turning it up past 10 PSI had some side effects and no possitive that they found. When have you ever looked my truck over to know what I have done or not ? I mean your spouting off as if you know so much about me and my back ground as well as my truck ( in which I'm the onlyt one that works on it), in reality I know much more about you. In fact I don't just sell parts I'm the mechanic at our shop too, Cummins, Duramax and Powerstroke I work on them all. I wasnt trying to make this personal but if you want to try to discredit what I'm saying then lets go, get your big boy pants on and lets see how far you want to take it.

Now back to the subject of the thread, I can explain it in another sense if you would like. In an electrical application as resistance ( PSI in this case ) went up, current would go down ( GPH in this case ).

I'd like you to explain how the HPFP that can only swallow so much fuel at a time can gain anything other than problems by increasing the PSI when it won't make it swallow fuel any faster.

Whats your 6.4 race truck set to?

As to the products we carry we would carry yours as well if they could be had in a reasonable time line, how ever..........

If your referring to the intake manifold that didnt fit perfect on Erik's truck. It fit just perfect on beef tacos truck.

 

[Fast-6.0]

Well Tad,

I know you said you ignored Ford's recomendation of 10 PSI maximum, but what else do you ignore ? Maybe thats why your ZZ fab intakes wouldnt bolt up to the factory heads because the bolt holes were off, easy mistake sure but if you test everything as you say you do surely you Tad would have caught that.

Your attempts at me aren't that good. This was one instance, on an engine with milled heads and deck. That same intake manifold fit another truck without any issue.

Or what about the fitment of the factory turbos with that same intake, surely again if you tested the fitment of it you would have caught that little blunder as well.

Again, failed attempt. I know of ZERO of our intakes that wouldn't fit stock turbos. So enlighten me.

Or wait what about the first EGR delete kits you marketed for the 6.4 that would spit crank case vent oil out all over your motor because you were useing a paper gasket instead of a double o-ring surely you caught that too with your testing right? I would guess no to that last one as I personally went through that on my own truck.

As a manufacturer sometimes you find improvements and update your product. We never saw these issues during testing and once issues arose we did in fact update the plates at no charge to existing customers. Is this why you have taken to attacking Elite?

So I dont know what kind of testing you do personally but there have been other members on this forum as well as others who have posted that turning it up past 10 PSI had some side effects and no possitive that they found.

I asked what YOU had done testing wise to backup your claims. Now you are saying that you have read forum posts about it but you never have done it yourself?? How can you back-up your claims if you have never tested??

When have you ever looked my truck over to know what I have done or not ? I mean your spouting off as if you know so much about me and my back ground as well as my truck ( in which I'm the onlyt one that works on it), in reality I know much more about you. In fact I don't just sell parts I'm the mechanic at our shop too, Cummins, Duramax and Powerstroke I work on them all. I wasnt trying to make this personal but if you want to try to discredit what I'm saying then lets go, get your big boy pants on and lets see how far you want to take it.

As soon as you posted information about my comment of 20psi to the HPFP (you stated that it would offer no gain) and you also stated information about the Tow-Powers in comparison to II turbos. (Both of which you had ZERO information to offer as you have no real data and haven't done the testing yourself). At that point YOU made it personal. So go back and read YOUR posts. You took the first jabs. You made it sound as if my words and product were something other than they are and that people should trust you and your claims over mine. Sounds like a personal attack to me.

Now back to the subject of the thread, I can explain it in another sense if you would like. In an electrical application as resistance ( PSI in this case ) went up, current would go down ( GPH in this case ).

I'd like you to explain how the HPFP that can only swallow so much fuel at a time can gain anything other than problems by increasing the PSI when it won't make it swallow fuel any faster.

When you the raise the pressure of the lift pump the flow out of the lift pump does decrease but if you are only using 70gph of say the 90gph pump (you referenced) then you have flow to spare and raising the pressure will fill the HPFP faster and the cylinders will fill to more capacity in the short time allowed to fill. Have you ever thought that the cylinders in the pump are not at 100% capacity. Raising the pressure brings the pump to a higher efficiency as the cylinders are more fully filled before the fuel in compressed to high pressure (25,000 psi). I know this works because I have done it. On our Stage 2 system we set the pressure to 15psi. We have done this for years without issue. So I am telling you this because we have done it. We have trucks out there running this and breaking records.

Whats your 6.4 race truck set to?

My 6.4 (which is a street truck) runs 20 psi.

All of this backlash and you never answered my question. Can you guarantee your fellow forum members that they won't gain the results that I have stated?

 

[SEABEE08FX4]

Accually I have a FASS 220 on mine, adjusting the pressure above 10psi hasn't made no difference other than more noise and a twitchy throttle. I have not used or installed any of your turbos but I have industrials and they work awesome. I hear your tow powers work well too but with the price difference there isn't enough performance difference to justify it to most customers. I have no personal vendeta against you or elite but if you want to call me out bet your ass im going to make you prove it. As to your intake not fitting one truck but fitting another that doesn't make sense regardless of if his heads or block were milled, how did he get a stock one on there if that were the case ? I'm not dumb man just because you say it in a narcissistic way doesn't make it the truth. You know what I'm talking about you can deny it all you want. You still haven't posted any results or data just your word which isn't worth spit to most. Like I said I dont have anything against you at all, in fact I called your wife and left a few msg's with here as well as some of your employees on some product and pricing for a customer but after a week of trying I gave up and went else where. You can't say I don't know what I'm talking about without some proof of your claim cause you said so isnt good enough. I honestly hate that it came down to this but your not going to tell me that I dont know what talking about with out proof more than your word. Your a smart guy so let's see the data not the words.

 

[sonic blue l]

Just throwing this out there. Stock 6.4 hfcm is internally regulated to 24 psi, engine mounted fuel filter housing has a popet regulator that opens at 3 +-.5 psi, fuel test port reading on fuel cooler (return from hp pump) is 3-7 psi. (stock)

Where are you guys reading pressure?

 

[BFT]

To put this whole intake fitment to rest, that was the first modded intake that elite had. The intake manifold could've worked but wasn't going to be used in case something happen.

That same modded intake bolted up to mikes old motor before it was taken out and fit on mine as well.
The manifold that is on mine isn't the same one but since then, just for reassurance, a bracket was added at the end when welding. Before anyone jumps to conclusions as to why it wasn't the same one, tadd wanted to see how the new manifolds fit with the added support on the rear, and that's what ended up on my truck.

As far as turbos go... I don't know, I just know how to put sh!t together. I leave all the math and stuff to people who actually know what they are doing in that department, but if I were to choose, I'd go with elite all the way and twice on Sunday. Not saying that others don't make good products it's just that I've never been steered wrong with elite.

Now the AD... I just put it to where I was told or recommended and drive. I've never had an issue and that's what I'm happy with. Knowing about the filters on AD is good to know, I'll look into that a bit more, thanks to the OP who posted that.

As far as PTP and elite, you can't go wrong with either. It get all my maintenance stuff through Nate and the gang, and all the go fast, superdooperpooperscooperbatoutofhell parts from tad and elite.

Now... If anything else is said that doesn't pertain to the air dog or the factory fuel filtration system, I'll be deleting it

****** out

 

[BFT]

I just cleaned everything up, keep it on topic

 

[Spatel23]

You're ban hammer aint big enough taco boy

 

[STROKIN N STYLE]

You're ban hammer aint big enough taco boy

LMAO

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[BFT]

When I bring it down, it's heard round the world, bra.:thumbup:

Plus, I can stir up some messed up pics and change avatarsLOL

 

[SEABEE08FX4]

To put this whole intake fitment to rest, that was the first modded intake that elite had. The intake manifold could've worked but wasn't going to be used in case something happen.

That same modded intake bolted up to mikes old motor before it was taken out and fit on mine as well.
The manifold that is on mine isn't the same one but since then, just for reassurance, a bracket was added at the end when welding. Before anyone jumps to conclusions as to why it wasn't the same one, tadd wanted to see how the new manifolds fit with the added support on the rear, and that's what ended up on my truck.

As far as turbos go... I don't know, I just know how to put sh!t together. I leave all the math and stuff to people who actually know what they are doing in that department, but if I were to choose, I'd go with elite all the way and twice on Sunday. Not saying that others don't make good products it's just that I've never been steered wrong with elite.

Now the AD... I just put it to where I was told or recommended and drive. I've never had an issue and that's what I'm happy with. Knowing about the filters on AD is good to know, I'll look into that a bit more, thanks to the OP who posted that.

As far as PTP and elite, you can't go wrong with either. It get all my maintenance stuff through Nate and the gang, and all the go fast, superdooperpooperscooperbatoutofhell parts from tad and elite.

Now... If anything else is said that doesn't pertain to the air dog or the factory fuel filtration system, I'll be deleting it

****** out

That's fair and well put, like I said I don't have any personal hard feelings against anyone at elite or Steve him self but I will present my side of it. I know the intake issue has since been resolved but that wasn't the point I was trying to make. But I'll drop it in sake of not ruining the OP's thread or loosing any useful info in the debate.

 

[Spatel23]

When I bring it down, it's heard round the world, bra.:thumbup:

Plus, I can stir up some messed up pics and change avatarsLOL

Hey Dog "the bounty hunter". You ain't got nothin on my avatar!

 

[STROKIN N STYLE]

When I bring it down, it's heard round the world, bra.:thumbup:

Plus, I can stir up some messed up pics and change avatarsLOL

Got a breath mint?

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[200whp_Liter]

What's a HPFP? Sorry new to diesels

 

[STROKIN N STYLE]

High pressure fuel pump

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[200whp_Liter]

Oh ok sorry. Gettin the lingo down. I don't see what the argument is about, how would increasing pressure by 5-10 psi over stock will affect the HPFP in a negative way. Seems to me if you are increasing injector size or consumption over stock you would need to bump pressure. Right?