Alternate EPA Compliance

a_moore · Jan 25, 2013

I would like to start an INTELLEGENT conversation about aftermarket solutions to compliant and more reliable emissions systems. By intellegent I mean that opinions on the EPA or current political situation are irrelavent. This is out of everyone on this sites control and is the way of the world. Complaining/bitching does no good. Please ony offer input that is relevant.

Has anyone tried any alternates to date? I have just started researching this as the Ford option is not viable for fuel efficiency or engine health.

I found this one...

http://www.ironmanparts.com/?id=emi3&sub=products&pgid=JMI_CRT

It claims to be functional without regeneration or other parasitic fuel burning.

BFT · Jan 25, 2013

How much is it and what is required for maintenance? Is the maintenance through dealer only?

a_moore · Jan 25, 2013

BFT said:
How much is it and what is required for maintenance? Is the maintenance through dealer only?

I have no idea, kinda looking for pricing now. See'n if anyone has been down this road with ideas/input.

BFT · Jan 25, 2013

I would think retrofitting it to our vehicles would be pricy, unless that's all figured out on their end. It would definitely benefit those that tow a lot and have to go through the scales

WHY NOT · Jan 25, 2013

Hopefully they come out with some like case IH uses on there new equipment. They have a filter and uses urea but doesn't have to ever burn or get super hot. Just uses more urea which IMO is better then what we have now. I know it's not perfect but I don't want to have urea and a dpf on the truck

It's all about wheel speed and torque.

Renegade7.3 · Jan 25, 2013

that filter is a pain in the ass. You have to get them cleaned at a spefically equipped shop ( mainly only dealerships ) they clog up and you need to pull the element out of it, put it in a special vaccum and clean it all out.

Its more hassle than what it is worth. thats the kind they put in certain big rigs

a_moore · Jan 25, 2013

Renegade7.3 said:
that filter is a pain in the ass. You have to get them cleaned at a spefically equipped shop ( mainly only dealerships ) they clog up and you need to pull the element out of it, put it in a special vaccum and clean it all out.

Its more hassle than what it is worth. thats the kind they put in certain big rigs

If it comes down to it....I would prefer that to having a gallon of diesel in the cranckcase after 4K miles.

Renegade7.3 · Jan 25, 2013

i mean im not arguing just stating my personal expreience. . im not supposed to say this but you can take the filter out yourself and use a shop vac to clean it out....

they want you to take it to the shop so they can dispose of the PM in a suitible manner.

though it is not uncommon to see a shop sweeping the PM out onto the street.

either way i see it, the PM is still getting to the enviroment. so i see no real benefit besides you dont see the smoke coming out of a pipe on the roadways

WoodBoy · Jan 25, 2013

Renegade7.3 said:
i mean im not arguing just stating my personal expreience. . im not supposed to say this but you can take the filter out yourself and use a shop vac to clean it out....

they want you to take it to the shop so they can dispose of the PM in a suitible manner.

though it is not uncommon to see a shop sweeping the PM out onto the street.

either way i see it, the PM is still getting to the enviroment. so i see no real benefit besides you dont see the smoke coming out of a pipe on the roadways

That is the most important thing. These stupid tree huggers only care about what they see. They dont research the ****. What they see and smell driving to work, eat, do their hobby is what stays on their mind

Renegade7.3 · Jan 25, 2013

The heavy duty truck shop my friend works at and i go spend time in, have quit using the special cleaner they but it in a big trash bag and blow shop air in it and then use a shope vac with whatever they get on the ground and then just sweep the mess into the street and whatever is in the bag goes to the local dump

WoodBoy · Jan 25, 2013

We was running test ones on two trucks of our trucks. Pete 379s with C-15s. We didnt mess with the dpfs, the trucks would just swing by the company's shop (that owned the dpfs and we were testing for) out in CA while loading and they would hook there computers up and do their thing. But the trucks ran clean and no problems.

Renegade7.3 · Jan 25, 2013

dont let them get you wrong either. the filters that use fuel to super heat them still need to be removed periodically and cleaned out.

a_moore · Jan 25, 2013

Renegade7.3 said:
i mean im not arguing just stating my personal expreience. . im not supposed to say this but you can take the filter out yourself and use a shop vac to clean it out....

they want you to take it to the shop so they can dispose of the PM in a suitible manner.

though it is not uncommon to see a shop sweeping the PM out onto the street.

either way i see it, the PM is still getting to the enviroment. so i see no real benefit besides you dont see the smoke coming out of a pipe on the roadways

Smoke is little to no issue, however future emission compliance is i fear. Looking to be ready for that with a better solution.

Hammer Down · Jan 26, 2013

might be a dumb question but when i talked to a tech at a massey dealership he said the new tractors met the emissions criteria without a dpf. is this true? and if so are the emissions requirements for tractors different than trucks? and if thats the case how different are they?

fordman2121 · Jan 26, 2013

Hammer Down said:
might be a dumb question but when i talked to a tech at a massey dealership he said the new tractors met the emissions criteria without a dpf. is this true? and if so are the emissions requirements for tractors different than trucks? and if thats the case how different are they?

Ag or off-road emmisions are differenrt but in 2014 ag will be getting alot closer to on road. John Deere also tried for the longest time to meet emmisions with out the DPF but did finally go to it.

I am working with a company that is trying to get an LP system for diesels epa certified and we are also going to be testing on a ford 6.7 that is deleted and only has a convertor on it. But im not sure we can get it clean enough to completlly elimante the dpf. Lp cleans up about 50-60% of the PM.

Hammer Down · Jan 26, 2013

pardon the ignorance, LP system?

tbsimmons · Jan 26, 2013

If it is the same it always has, propane.

fordman2121 · Jan 26, 2013

Yes propane sorry for that. Im just so used to the lingo. I know there is a lot of hate for it but it works and is safe(when controlled). Im just answering the op question.

Hammer Down · Jan 26, 2013

:doh: haha was struggling this morning evidently. thanks for the clarification.

punkrockford · Jan 27, 2013

Renegade7.3 said:
i mean im not arguing just stating my personal expreience. . im not supposed to say this but you can take the filter out yourself and use a shop vac to clean it out....

they want you to take it to the shop so they can dispose of the PM in a suitible manner.

though it is not uncommon to see a shop sweeping the PM out onto the street.

either way i see it, the PM is still getting to the enviroment. so i see no real benefit besides you dont see the smoke coming out of a pipe on the roadways

That is exactly right. The pm is just carbon and usually just falls to the ground. in new trucks it get vaporized and put into the atmosphere. I see particulate filters like smog pumps on a gas engine, they will eventually go away. but in the mean time we get diesels that have issues because of the epa rules moving faster then technology. Some of us may remember corvettes with less than 200hp because of smog rules and changing gas standards. I think we are in the midst of that now with diesels. we are just having to sacrifice reliability until technology catches up with the EPA rules.