ARP vs Extreme Studs

02POWERSTROKE7.3 · Feb 28, 2014

Mike, what's the torque spec on the h13s? Sorry if I missed it in this thread.

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bigrpowr · Feb 28, 2014

02POWERSTROKE7.3 said:
Mike, what's the torque spec on the h13s? Sorry if I missed it in this thread.

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180.

weekendwarriorfsw32 · Feb 28, 2014

I have blown my gaskets with ARP studs on a 430 hp truck over a 2 year time period. Did a fresh set of ARP studs and a fresh set oh OEM gaskets with now 190/75's and a 68 turbo, we will see how long they last and if they fail again I will be giving Mikey a call to order up some Extreme Studs.

SEABEE08FX4 · Feb 28, 2014

bigrpowr said:
to me it's simple, this thread has a title. in regards to that, one material is more resilient and less prone to stretch. thats it!

No argument there, H11/H13 are both harder material than 17-22A. But no matter what you chose if the proper prep work isn't done your going to have issues down the line period.

bigrpowr · Feb 28, 2014

SEABEE08FX4 said:
No argument there, H11/H13 are both harder material than 17-22A. But no matter what you chose if the proper prep work isn't done your going to have issues down the line period.

BINGO. but that is apparently hard to comprehend. the problem is, most dont know how to dissect the machine work to know. just taking others words for it.

SEABEE08FX4 · Feb 28, 2014

bigrpowr said:
BINGO. but that is apparently hard to comprehend. the problem is, most dont know how to dissect the machine work to know. just taking others words for it.

Exactly.

Morgan@Midwest Diesel & Auto · Mar 1, 2014

Not to be complicated... I don't see the issues. We never have trucks come back with blown head gaskets, doesn't matter which stud or gaskets. Common denominator? The job was
Done right.

Evidently, the guys doing it in their moms drive way get pissed, because "they did it right" and it blew the gasket.

Question? If it was done right, then why are they blown?

Our stuff never blows? Is there a reason? (Clue: it's not the fasteners)

Not being a dick, but I didn't just "talk to people" I've done it, for years and years over hundreds of trucks. It's no "myth" or "hype". 90% is prep and installer error failures. 8% was gaskets that are no longer being made. 2% is because someone with a 6.0 made enough power to actually stretch a set of standard arp's past their holding capacity. (Edit, change the last part to 1%, let's be realistic).

May not like the answer, I don't care. It's not opinion. It's fact, learned by experience.

Morgan@Midwest Diesel & Auto · Mar 1, 2014

Btw, luv you Mike.

And I'm waiting on my studs.... chop, chop..

bigrpowr · Mar 1, 2014

Sledpull said:
Btw, luv you Mike.

And I'm waiting on my studs.... chop, chop..

i spent the day making lube packets.. i cant wait to stuff some down your pants.

SEABEE08FX4 · Mar 1, 2014

Sledpull said:
Not to be complicated... I don't see the issues. We never have trucks come back with blown head gaskets, doesn't matter which stud or gaskets. Common denominator? The job was
Done right.

Evidently, the guys doing it in their moms drive way get pissed, because "they did it right" and it blew the gasket.

Question? If it was done right, then why are they blown?

Our stuff never blows? Is there a reason? (Clue: it's not the fasteners)

Not being a dick, but I didn't just "talk to people" I've done it, for years and years over hundreds of trucks. It's no "myth" or "hype". 90% is prep and installer error failures. 8% was gaskets that are no longer being made. 2% is because someone with a 6.0 made enough power to actually stretch a set of standard arp's past their holding capacity. (Edit, change the last part to 1%, let's be realistic).

May not like the answer, I don't care. It's not opinion. It's fact, learned by experience.

Its like an echo LoL. Right on I agree.

weekendwarriorfsw32 · Mar 1, 2014

So where do you think every one is going wrong? Block prep, going to tight on the studs, not enough lube on each fastener causing a random and improper finial torque on each stud causing some areas of the head to have less clamping force?

Sledpull said:
Not to be complicated... I don't see the issues. We never have trucks come back with blown head gaskets, doesn't matter which stud or gaskets. Common denominator? The job was
Done right.

Evidently, the guys doing it in their moms drive way get pissed, because "they did it right" and it blew the gasket.

Question? If it was done right, then why are they blown?

Our stuff never blows? Is there a reason? (Clue: it's not the fasteners)

Not being a dick, but I didn't just "talk to people" I've done it, for years and years over hundreds of trucks. It's no "myth" or "hype". 90% is prep and installer error failures. 8% was gaskets that are no longer being made. 2% is because someone with a 6.0 made enough power to actually stretch a set of standard arp's past their holding capacity. (Edit, change the last part to 1%, let's be realistic).

May not like the answer, I don't care. It's not opinion. It's fact, learned by experience.

bigrpowr · Mar 1, 2014

weekendwarriorfsw32 said:
So where do you think every one is going wrong? Block prep, going to tight on the studs, not enough lube on each fastener causing a random and improper finial torque on each stud causing some areas of the head to have less clamping force?

i dont think "amount" of lube would be an issue as long as its presen. block prep a small percentage and head machine a much bigger portion. tq wrench calibration a small portion as well. even tq across the spectrum is key.

SEABEE08FX4 · Mar 1, 2014

weekendwarriorfsw32 said:
So where do you think every one is going wrong? Block prep, going to tight on the studs, not enough lube on each fastener causing a random and improper finial torque on each stud causing some areas of the head to have less clamping force?

Prep work, clean flat deck, machined non cracked heads, clean stud bores, proper lube, proper torque, proper torque sequence, calibrated tools and so on.

A lot if factors that some don't care to check or even think have any impact that can greatly affect the final product.

mcdaniel1991 · Mar 1, 2014

I wish we could get a standard that everyone agrees on for installing Studs. I'm my thread on that I got a bazillion different awnsers.

It made it hard to pick one.
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Morgan@Midwest Diesel & Auto · Mar 1, 2014

All I can say is, what we do works for us. If you can't eat off the block or heads it's not clean enough.

Morgan@Midwest Diesel & Auto · Mar 1, 2014

bigrpowr said:
i spent the day making lube packets.. i cant wait to stuff some down your pants.

Me neither

Morgan@Midwest Diesel & Auto · Mar 1, 2014

SEABEE08FX4 said:
Its like an echo LoL. Right on I agree.

Exactly. No secrets. Just can't cut any corners or leave anything to chance. Or it WILL come back to haunt you.

SEABEE08FX4 · Mar 1, 2014

Sledpull said:
Exactly. No secrets. Just can't cut any corners or leave anything to chance. Or it WILL come back to haunt you.

Yes sir, I know we are not the cheapest on stud jobs. But its because we refuse to cut corners, if our name is going to be on it its going to be done right.