B code v.s. Hybrid

[Hotrodtractor]

Didn't somebody post some poppet flow numbers on PSN somewhere? I remember reading it in a thread somewhat similar to this one once upon a time.

I don't think the thread was related to reduced ratio injectors, just hybrids vs B codes.

And I didn't know you were shooting for a DD-able injector with these you've been working on... Pretty effin cool.

My goal is to build the ultimate Diesel Power Challenge truck - 1K Hp, drag racing capable, sled pulling capable, etc.... granted this has been an evolution just as much as the injectors themselves - but none the less will be the end result.

Through testing various different injectors under different circumstances it became readily apparent how cumbersome it is to control certain aspects of some injectors under common conditions when you start doing things like internal mods and large tips. I'm not saying it can't be done - because it most certainly can be - I just know that it can be done better. By working on increasing the control resolution of the injector by various modifications to existing parts as well as some whole new ones - I can deliver LARGE amounts of fuel at a relatively high flow rate - or I can deliver small amounts of fuel in the control window that I decide - while maintaining a crisp well atomized events. These sticks are not some mildly worked over stock pieces with some big plungers and barrels - they are an balanced piece of engineering needed to take these trucks to the next level - and I refuse to rush them out and toss them into a truck until I am completely satisfied that they will do all that I ask of them. Contrary to the belief of some - the flow bench is a necessary tool that provides the data necessary to not only improve the flow rate of the injector, but to improve its control as well - that is something that is just impossible to do unless it is in a controlled testing environment.

 

[Chvyrkr]

CR capability in HEUI form sounds pretty cool to me.

 

[Hotrodtractor]

CR capability in HEUI form sounds pretty cool to me.

Its not quite that level - don't oversell it. LOL

 

[Chvyrkr]

Lol, ok I'll try to settle down.

 

[TyCorr]

I bet it'd scare the poo outta the cr guys though!!

 

[Cat_rebel]

My goal is to build the ultimate Diesel Power Challenge truck - 1K Hp, drag racing capable, sled pulling capable, etc.... granted this has been an evolution just as much as the injectors themselves - but none the less will be the end result.

Through testing various different injectors under different circumstances it became readily apparent how cumbersome it is to control certain aspects of some injectors under common conditions when you start doing things like internal mods and large tips. I'm not saying it can't be done - because it most certainly can be - I just know that it can be done better. By working on increasing the control resolution of the injector by various modifications to existing parts as well as some whole new ones - I can deliver LARGE amounts of fuel at a relatively high flow rate - or I can deliver small amounts of fuel in the control window that I decide - while maintaining a crisp well atomized events. These sticks are not some mildly worked over stock pieces with some big plungers and barrels - they are an balanced piece of engineering needed to take these trucks to the next level - and I refuse to rush them out and toss them into a truck until I am completely satisfied that they will do all that I ask of them. Contrary to the belief of some - the flow bench is a necessary tool that provides the data necessary to not only improve the flow rate of the injector, but to improve its control as well - that is something that is just impossible to do unless it is in a controlled testing environment.

I remember someone else that lived & breathed that same dream, unfortunately for all of us....he never got the chance to see that dream through....

 

[Hotrodtractor]

I remember someone else that lived & breathed that same dream, unfortunately for all of us....he never got the chance to see that dream through....

Will was a good dude for sure. I know he would approve the route I am taking. In fact I have been saving the sticker remembering him for the back window of this truck.

 

[Derek@Vision Diesel]

What is the maximum ICP psi that people are running in B codes and then the same question for hybrids before things start floating and not seeing any benefit

 

[Hotrodtractor]

What is the maximum ICP psi that people are running in B codes and then the same question for hybrids before things start floating and not seeing any benefit

Seeing how they both have the exact same poppet and associated parts - they both start floating at the same point - that point varies some from set to set, but as a rule - start tuning with a max of about 2800-3000 and never go over 3000-3200 range unless your rocking something not publicly available.

 

[Powersmoker]

I build my trucks to drive and enjoy not brag about how much power my truck dynoed or what CC's my injectors flowed, 2 numbers that are meaningless when you are looking at taillights.

Funny thing is I dynoed once with Snow White and made IIRC 534 rwhp then proceeded to run a [email protected] with simple B codes, yet it took 400 Plus CC hybrids and 1000hp dyno to run 129:slap: the numbers don't quite add up do they:blah::blah::blah:

David...David.. David. Funny thing is we all know what a 4wd does on the big end of the track compared to a 2wd. I have a transfer case and front axle robbing wheel horsepower. Just remember, I have nearly 6 mph on you in the 1/8mile!


Ps: The 10.55 pass @ 129 was with two .082 jets, not the three large stages I made 1,069 hp with. Hybrids are king, B Codes are Junk...Get over it! ha

 

[fords4life]

Seeing how they both have the exact same poppet and associated parts - they both start floating at the same point - that point varies some from set to set, but as a rule - start tuning with a max of about 2800-3000 and never go over 3000-3200 range unless your rocking something not publicly available.

Just curious how high you have seen that envelope pushed? I know of at least a couple running A's and B's in the high 3k range with no issues.

 

[Hotrodtractor]

Just curious how high you have seen that envelope pushed? I know of at least a couple running A's and B's in the high 3k range with no issues.

Same old story, different day. I know people are doing with tuning - and I have seen what that does on the bench. Floating poppets are still floating poppets no matter what the marketing hype.

 

[fatsix]

Who is the preferred vendor for hybrids? Beans, Swamps, Rosewood? Or just pick one?

 

[MINK]

Who is the preferred vendor for hybrids? Beans, Swamps, Rosewood? Or just pick one?

Depends on who you ask....So ask someone you trust. Its not always just pick one but the names mentioned are all very repuatble injector builders that i'm sure you'd be happy with although who I would go with isnt necessarily one of them.

 

[fatsix]

Depends on who you ask....So ask someone you trust. Its not always just pick one but the names mentioned are all very repuatble injector builders that i'm sure you'd be happy with although who I would go with isnt necessarily one of them.

Those were just the ones off of the top of my head.

 

[Derek@Vision Diesel]

so 3000psi is enough then before things start floating, some people claim 100% that they can run 3500-3700 without issue. But all those people are running B codes, never heard of hybrids being ran that high

 

[fords4life]

Same old story, different day. I know people are doing with tuning - and I have seen what that does on the bench. Floating poppets are still floating poppets no matter what the marketing hype.

Who said anything about marketing hype? I'm not talking about a fad or something someone did on a dyno someday. I'm referring to trucks that are daily driven and not driven lightly. Its all good either way....seems like even on a dinosaur engine(said jokingly) that there is never 1 perfect way to do things. Just keeps it interesting.

 

[Charles]

Who said anything about marketing hype? I'm not talking about a fad or something someone did on a dyno someday. I'm referring to trucks that are daily driven and not driven lightly. Its all good either way....seems like even on a dinosaur engine(said jokingly) that there is never 1 perfect way to do things. Just keeps it interesting.

A lot of people run around with blatant dead holes every single day on daily drivers too. Just driving around with a clear miss without a care in the world, completely oblivious. People also run around with the wastegates welded shut on sub 1.0 A/R housing stock chargers, pushing them deep into the 20 to 30+psi range. A lot of people run around on stock rods and 40+ degrees of timing just waiting on that day when it lets go, or they swap something on the truck that becomes the straw that breaks the camels back and it pops. A lot of people then put another engine together and promptly pop it too. Some do it more than twice in a row...

Point being.... a LOT of people don't know any better on a LOT of topics.

 

[TyCorr]

Who said anything about marketing hype? I'm not talking about a fad or something someone did on a dyno someday. I'm referring to trucks that are daily driven and not driven lightly. Its all good either way....seems like even on a dinosaur engine(said jokingly) that there is never 1 perfect way to do things. Just keeps it interesting.

With big injectors, how often would you be pushing the truck to the point where its in that spot? You know, when the poppets are seizuring. Especially on a daily driver.

 

[Chvyrkr]

A better question is why would you ever command that kinda ICP, when you can buy off the shelve injectors that will flow enough for 600 HP in 2ms of PW.