Barder stg 2 w/155 stock nozzle review

[borsky]

OK, so I had a pmax with a batmo prior to installing the turbo, under WOT I can still hit 1700 egt if I hold it long enough although it definatly takes longer. Biggest improvements are down low in the RPM range it spools WAY better at like 1800 rpm with NO surge. Makes about 3 more psi WOT in the higher rpm's and about 35-36psi with the tq locked in OD @ damn close to a 1:1 ratio to ebp. Part throttle seems to move more air t make more boost with less throttle with lower EGT's. Havent really had a chance put a lot of miles on yet but will travel 500 miles on sunday so I will report back. Also am running vivians looney wild for pmax, will be trying tonys tune next because it makes a little less boost and seems to be better on fuel with the old turbo. Also cleans up the looney completely, but the air temps were lower here so that helps too.

other mods are afe,banks IC,and gogo manifold

 

[FaSSt9602]

Jesus, 1700 with 155's and a stage 2? You sure you don't have a leak somewhere? That seems awfully high for that combo.

 

[01PSD]

:whs: Wouldn't think they would be that high.

 

[borsky]

No smoke and 35 psi with a 1:1 ratio, doubt I have a leak. I have experienced both a boost leak (cac boot) and a drive pressure leak (y pipe bellows) so I know what that's like too. I have suspected a mix up in injector size but I called casserly to confirm the size, and they say that they are 155 stocks. So I dunno

 

[Dirty_Stroke]

FWIW, my Casserly 155/stock injectors with the hybrid hits 1700 EGT also. Heck I even saw it touch 1800 before for a split second. I know the turbos are diff but Cass 155's dump some fuel for their size. He actually told me on the phone one time they usually flow closer to 160cc but they classify them as 155's.

 

[peixinho]

FWIW, my Casserly 155/stock injectors with the hybrid hits 1700 EGT also. Heck I even saw it touch 1800 before for a split second. I know the turbos are diff but Cass 155's dump some fuel for their size. He actually told me on the phone one time they usually flow closer to 160cc but they classify them as 155's.

This is interesting to me... The same discussion is going on over at the org and other people said similar things...

that cass 155s dump more fuel than other people injectors. This is curious to me and maybe I dont under stand. But if an injector is 155cc then it will only dump 155cc... right? Nozzles will make it dump faster, but still only 155cc Anyone claiming that their 155s dump more like 175s, wouldnt they just have 175cc injectors :shrug: am I missing something?


Maybe the key to having more powerful injectors is to mislabel them and make them flow more than what is stated :badidea:


155s should flow 155cc of fuel... not 160 175 or 190


now I know 155-160 is not that big of a deal, but I find it odd that people claim that the injectors flow more fuel than other injectors of the same size. Maybe someone with more knowledge than me can kick in an help me out.

 

[swinky]

This seems weird.

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[01PSD]

Maybe someone can also explain to me how you guys are getting to 1700-1800 degrees even with just stock nozzles. Is it possible you could be running too lean with that stage 2 turbo? What size is that turbo?

 

[Twan]

Maybe someone can also explain to me how you guys are getting to 1700-1800 degrees even with just stock nozzles. Is it possible you could be running too lean with that stage 2 turbo? What size is that turbo?

Stock injectors can hit 1700 too.
All you got to do is wot, (on the floor) for a bit of a run.
0-100 I can hit 1400 on a tow tune

 

[Twan]

OK, so I had a pmax with a batmo prior to installing the turbo, under WOT I can still hit 1700 egt if I hold it long enough although it definatly takes longer. Biggest improvements are down low in the RPM range it spools WAY better at like 1800 rpm with NO surge. Makes about 3 more psi WOT in the higher rpm's and about 35-36psi with the tq locked in OD @ damn close to a 1:1 ratio to ebp. Part throttle seems to move more air t make more boost with less throttle with lower EGT's. Havent really had a chance put a lot of miles on yet but will travel 500 miles on sunday so I will report back. Also am running vivians looney wild for pmax, will be trying tonys tune next because it makes a little less boost and seems to be better on fuel with the old turbo. Also cleans up the looney completely, but the air temps were lower here so that helps too.

other mods are afe,banks IC,and gogo manifold

Did you get a cast wheel on it?

 

[strokin6L]

I have casserly 190/75's and ran them with the stock charger on erics x-race tune. Never even hit 1700* when I ran that combo. That seems awfully high egts.

 

[01PSD]

Stock injectors can hit 1700 too.
All you got to do is wot, (on the floor) for a bit of a run.
0-100 I can hit 1400 on a tow tune

But we're talking about a larger turbo than stock. I've experienced the WOT with stock injectors/stock turbo, and 190/100s with stock turbo LOL LOL

 

[borsky]

The new turbo is a barder stage 2 the old one is a pmax with batmowheel, I never ran the pmax with the cast wheel and the cass sticks. I upgraded the sticks added the bat and the gogo manifold all at th same time.

The barder is a 64.7mm single plane 11 blade billet wheeled turbo built from a pmax that has the pmax 10 blade turbine.

Maybe the full force sticks flow more efficiently then some others and use more of there displacement. But still displace the same fuel. Some say stock injectors are 135cc but only really flow like 115cc. I dunno I'm not an expert on the subject. I just read the gauge and reported what I found, it takes a really long pull to hit 1700. I have my alert set for 1600 and I hear the alarm without a whole lot of effort then it creeps up pretty slow if I hold it which really only happened once on a test run.

 

[01PSD]

If you're reaching those temps without much effort.. that would concern me

 

[Dirty_Stroke]

Yea it use to concern me too, but I've gotten use to it I guess. If I floor it from a stop then its at 1600+ degrees by 65mph and it doesn't ever flatten off. EGT's just climb the longer I hold it WOT.

 

[swinky]

Yea it use to concern me too, but I've gotten use to it I guess. If I floor it from a stop then its at 1600+ degrees by 65mph and it doesn't ever flatten off. EGT's just climb the longer I hold it WOT.

Do you have intake and exhaust?

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[Dirty_Stroke]

Yep, S&B and 4 inch straight pipe.

 

[smokedout250]

What's your elevation? I ran 175/stock, powermax with billet wheel. Egts 1400 maybe? I could pull 1500 with an exhaust leak.


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[loboost]

What's your elevation? I ran 175/stock, powermax with billet wheel. Egts 1400 maybe? I could pull 1500 with an exhaust leak.


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Whs. Elevation?

I didn't even see those temps with 190/50s with a stock charger....unless I wanted it to. Normal driving wasn't too hot

 

[Dirty_Stroke]

I'm not sure what my elevation is. It's always ran on the hot side since I got the injectors. Different tunes doesn't change anything EGT wise.