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[gratitudefortoday]

Here is why it's called bricked. If the logic get stuck it corrupts the firmware in the drive generally. It almost turns into circular logic. The firmware now has no idea what to do with a stuck or corrupted tune and now will not communicate with anything. It's almost like a black hole. There are a SELECT few people that know how to unbrick and ecm. They generally wear a bow tie with a loose collared white button up shirt and have a bowl cut for a hair doo... lol... at that point it's literally cheaper to get a new ECM. THERE'S literally nothing a tuner can do at the point of a bricked ecm.

Let's hope this is not your case and something is communicating with the ecm.

Thanks for the insight. Do you know if I can just buy and new OEM Ford ECM and then life is good again? Is it that simple? Obviously they'd be buying it but the more this potentially gets worse, the longer I go without my truck.

 

[jwanck11]

Call Morgan@midwest

I'd be weary/leery about having so many hands on the engine and pcm at this point.

Yes, you can buy an ecm. I would not have your current shop install it though!

 

[gratitudefortoday]

Call Morgan@midwest

I'd be weary/leery about having so many hands on the engine and pcm at this point.

Yes, you can buy an ecm. I would not have your current shop installing it though!

I hear ya. I'm stuck in the position of having no truck but want it running and running good. There's a diesel garage close by that does ecm & pcm programming. Heck at this point I'd consider hot shotting my truck to a pro shop and make sure everything is right.

 

[CATDiezel]

SPE Diesel is semi close to you guys in PA.

 

[CATDiezel]

Really stupid question. What is the trucks battery voltage with no charger on it?

 

[gratitudefortoday]

Really stupid question. What is the trucks battery voltage with no charger on it?

Unfortunately I don't know? The last time I was there I saw they had what looked like a trickle charger hooked up to my battery though. I didn't realize SPE was that close. I'm gonna look them up. I know MPD is about 3 hours from me.

 

[gratitudefortoday]

SPE Diesel is semi close to you guys in PA.

Thanks for that. I just mapped it and It's about 4 1/2 hours away. MPD is about 3 1/2 hours away.

 

[Frashdog]

We trouble shot a starter problem on one of our trucks all day once.
Guy who put it back together swore he hooked the negative up, to a starter bolt.
So, we had good battery voltage and dash lights. Would not crank....
After a few hours of dead ends, I decided to verify that the neg was hooked up even though I've asked this guy over and over...sure enough, the largest black lead was tucked up in the frame rail, all the little negative wires were hooked up. Good luck

 

[gratitudefortoday]

We trouble shot a starter problem on one of our trucks all day once.
Guy who put it back together swore he hooked the negative up, to a starter bolt.
So, we had good battery voltage and dash lights. Would not crank....
After a few hours of dead ends, I decided to verify that the neg was hooked up even though I've asked this guy over and over...sure enough, the largest black lead was tucked up in the frame rail, all the little negative wires were hooked up. Good luck

Yes sir, the little things that make a big difference. Thanks man.

 

[HS-MotorsportsDallas]

mcc codes are vin specific, it wont change . maybe the low pressure fuel system is causing this .

Don't insult me.:slap:

 

[bigrpowr]

Don't insult me.:slap:

Not the actual unit num nuts ... The connector.

 

[SpartanDieselTech]

Here is why it's called bricked. If the logic get stuck it corrupts the firmware in the drive generally. It almost turns into circular logic. The firmware now has no idea what to do with a stuck or corrupted tune and now will not communicate with anything. It's almost like a black hole. There are a SELECT few people that know how to unbrick and ecm. They generally wear a bow tie with a loose collared white button up shirt and have a bowl cut for a hair doo... lol... at that point it's literally cheaper to get a new ECM. THERE'S literally nothing a tuner can do at the point of a bricked ecm.

Let's hope this is not your case and something is communicating with the ecm.

The 4096k module (13MY to 16MY) is virtually indestructible and very easy to recover with the right tools. We even have a forced recovery mode for nGauge to re-light the fire if someone ****s up and interrupts power during a download.

The 2864k module in the 11/12MY trucks is a little more fragile and likes to lose the VID block and IQA data, but is still recoverable.

All of these modules use a TC1797 Infinieon Tricore processor. You can erase the OS, application software, and everything in else in the entire ROM (it will then refuse to read codes or interact with a scan tool) and the chipset will still accept a forced bootloader download.

They aren't really "brickable". It all comes down to knowledge of how to reboot it.

 

[CATDiezel]

The 4096k module (13MY to 16MY) is virtually indestructible and very easy to recover with the right tools. We even have a forced recovery mode for nGauge to re-light the fire if someone ****s up and interrupts power during a download.

The 2864k module in the 11/12MY trucks is a little more fragile and likes to lose the VID block and IQA data, but is still recoverable.

All of these modules use a TC1797 Infinieon Tricore processor. You can erase the OS, application software, and everything in else in the entire ROM (it will then refuse to read codes or interact with a scan tool) and the chipset will still accept a forced bootloader download.

They aren't really "brickable". It all comes down to knowledge of how to reboot it.

Few men can do that as stated! Glad you guys have the wherewithal to do such. I would say your about 10 steps beyond what a Ford dealership is capable of.

But because of you guys vast knowledge of the mindset of the ECM itself is alone the sole reason I chose Sp-artan for a tuning device!!

 

[gratitudefortoday]

Don't insult me.:slap:

LOL Ha!

 

[gratitudefortoday]

Not the actual unit num nuts ... The connector.

What about the connector, Mike? Polarity?

 

[gratitudefortoday]

The 4096k module (13MY to 16MY) is virtually indestructible and very easy to recover with the right tools. We even have a forced recovery mode for nGauge to re-light the fire if someone ****s up and interrupts power during a download.

The 2864k module in the 11/12MY trucks is a little more fragile and likes to lose the VID block and IQA data, but is still recoverable.

All of these modules use a TC1797 Infinieon Tricore processor. You can erase the OS, application software, and everything in else in the entire ROM (it will then refuse to read codes or interact with a scan tool) and the chipset will still accept a forced bootloader download.

They aren't really "brickable". It all comes down to knowledge of how to reboot it.

Wow. This is in-depth knowledge! So I see all this greatness on your Spartn platform. Is this doable on different platforms? If so does it require being as proficient as you are? Thank you for the informed input.

 

[SpartanDieselTech]

Wow. This is in-depth knowledge! So I see all this greatness on your Spartn platform. Is this doable on different platforms? If so does it require being as proficient as you are? Thank you for the informed input.

We don't currently offer any hardware other than our own, so I couldn't really provide any useful input as to what the other platforms will and won't do.

We worked directly with our hardware manufacturer to help them include key functions on the device firmware to provide a recovery mode just for instances like this. Keys accidentally get turned off, vehicles get programmed with undercharged and worn out batteries (we always advise a charger when reflashing, regardless of whose tuning device you are using), tuners get crushed in doors (yep:lookaround.

A few helpful things to check:

When you turn the key on, do you have a PRNDL light showing on the gear indicator? In other words, does it show the vehicle in Park, or no gear light at all?

When you turn the key on and go to the instrument cluster home screen, do you see a mileage reading on the odometer or is it just "------.-"?

If you try to read codes with your tuner or another scan tool, are you getting errors?

 

[SpartanDieselTech]

I'll also go ahead and tell you, this isn't an issue with the pump or pump wiring. That could potentially cause a crank/no start condition, but what you have is a complete no-crank condition.

It's possible that the shop who installed it returned the truck to stock, but it would have cranked and ran at least once before entering a fault condition for the missing hardware. This sure seems like something interrupted the tune download in-progess. Battery condition, ID10T error by the tech, etc.

 

[gratitudefortoday]

We don't currently offer any hardware other than our own, so I couldn't really provide any useful input as to what the other platforms will and won't do.

We worked directly with our hardware manufacturer to help them include key functions on the device firmware to provide a recovery mode just for instances like this. Keys accidentally get turned off, vehicles get programmed with undercharged and worn out batteries (we always advise a charger when reflashing, regardless of whose tuning device you are using), tuners get crushed in doors (yep:lookaround.

A few helpful things to check:

When you turn the key on, do you have a PRNDL light showing on the gear indicator? In other words, does it show the vehicle in Park, or no gear light at all?

When you turn the key on and go to the instrument cluster home screen, do you see a mileage reading on the odometer or is it just "------.-"?

If you try to read codes with your tuner or another scan tool, are you getting errors?

I don't know the answer to those questions but will ask each individually today. I really appreciate you giving me some things to check. Thank you.

 

[gratitudefortoday]

I'll also go ahead and tell you, this isn't an issue with the pump or pump wiring. That could potentially cause a crank/no start condition, but what you have is a complete no-crank condition.

It's possible that the shop who installed it returned the truck to stock, but it would have cranked and ran at least once before entering a fault condition for the missing hardware. This sure seems like something interrupted the tune download in-progess. Battery condition, ID10T error by the tech, etc.

FWIW, in my field, I refer to the "1D10T fitting" as being the ball buster of any jr guy! Lol, good stuff. I've got the helpful questions you've asked me poised to the shop I'm dealing with. Can I give you the responses for some feedback?