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[Dirtclod]

First post on this forum and haven't figured out how to post a pic on my profile. Or list my my type truck. Anyways, I've got a 01 ccsb F250. I've owned the truck for a year and a half. I've installed a new 4r100 with HD upgrade,non ebpv pedestal and hi flow outlet. It already had 4" downpipe and b&e intake. No chip as long as I owned but previous owner had 3 pos Diablo tuner.
Issues are: orings need replacing in injectors due to white smoke at startup and orings need replacing in oil cooler. Other than that I suppose it's a normal running stock truck. I get 19 lb of boost from factory turbo and egt's are @800 when running it pretty hard. Haven't towed enough with it to see what egt's would be. I have a 11000 lb travel trailer.
I'm wanting to to do some mods and studied quiet a bit from forums and looked at packages that venders sale together.
My question to you all is. How many of yall have towed with hybrid injectors? I was thinking 200/30,s with t4 366 pkg and a good reputable guy for tuning. Also a regulated fuel return and upgraded Hpop. Also oil filter bypass. I really don't tow all that often unless I change location for work. Could be 3 times a year might not move for 3 years. Occasionally pull my tractor or piece of equipment if need be. Are hybrids too much for tow or shouldn't I be able to get tuner to adjust them? Any replies would great fully appreciated!

 

[psduser1]

Welcome.
I've got two towrig with bigger injectors, a set 160cc, and one 205 cc. Both have 100% nozzles, and they work great. Clean and cool, both around 400 ish hp trucks. That's all in the tuning, and I have Gearhead tunes, personally. Having said that, I think any tuner on here could set you up, and would be willing to work with you till the truck performs the way it should, within its mechanical limits.

 

[Justin@DP-Tuner]

I believe we have spoken through an e-mail, but if I am mistaken about that I would be happy to help you out.

What is your HP goal with the truck?

 

[Dirtclod]

Thanks for the reply to the first response. I'm not a mechanic by any means. I've studied somewhat and listened to what other people say they have. I've been around a lot of guys with diesels pulling rv's over the past 15 years and most of the guys used powerstrokes until the 6.0 came out. Then seemed like everyone went over to cummins. Just because of their issues. Most of the guys that ran the 7.3 mostly run them stock and got great service and power. So when I bought mine I was disappointed. But then again injectors are probably not as good as they should be. And the fuel tank and mods need to be done I suppose 1st. I'll do a pressure check when I get to that in a couple weeks. Who knows I might be surprised. So psduser! Are you running stock turbo? And stock intercooler?

Yes justin that was me that has emailed. I don't want you to think I don't believe or trust you. You have a great reputation. That's why I emailed you. I've read a lot of debated threads on the issue and other companies offer pkgs with this setup for moderate Tow and hot street. On the other hand you're not the first company that told exactly the same thing you did. One performance company only suggested stock injectors and upgrade billet wheel to my stock turbo. With programmed TS 6 chip and price was in 6000$ range. (Injectors straight from ford) I guess my goal is this: when a bunch of us load up and haul across the country I don't want to be 6 miles behind. I want the best I can get out of my truck and be proud to own what most consider the best pulling truck in our time.

 

[Arisley]

First, unless you are looking at BIG horsepower, stock intercooler is fine.

Second. What are your horsepower goals. My truck tows big loads just fine with an H2E, 250/200 injectors, Adrenaline HPOP, homebuilt regulated return with 5/8 drawstraw and two stock fuel pumps. All finished off with Tony Wildman tuning.

If you have a price for a TS chip and Ford injectors for 600 bucks, I would run from that price.

Some nice 160/100 hybrids, a 38R and a regulated return with Hutch and Harpoon. Stick a good valve body in the transmission, and a good torque convertor in front of the trans, and call it done.

 

[Dirtclod]

I agree with running from6k! L0l! Where did you get your 160/100 hybrids? Everywhere I've looked the hybrids had 200 or 205. At min. At least stage 3's And please forgive my ignorance cause that's why I'm here is to learn. I guess sometimes folks just assume everyone else knows what they know. Kinda like I am when it comes to electrical work or welding (24 yrs journeyman) Are stage 2 injectors hybrids as well?

 

[psduser1]

First, unless you are looking at BIG horsepower, stock intercooler is fine.

Second. What are your horsepower goals. My truck tows big loads just fine with an H2E, 250/200 injectors, Adrenaline HPOP, homebuilt regulated return with 5/8 drawstraw and two stock fuel pumps. All finished off with Tony Wildman tuning.

If you have a price for a TS chip and Ford injectors for 600 bucks, I would run from that price.

Some nice 160/100 hybrids, a 38R and a regulated return with Hutch and Harpoon. Stick a good valve body in the transmission, and a good torque convertor in front of the trans, and call it done.

Listen to this guy^.
He basically listed my setup, and it flat works. Drives like stock, unless you want to prove something to someone. That's where the gauges will save you. I routinely have 18-22k hooked to the back of the truck during the summer, and my biggest problem is stopping, not going, lol.
38r is perfect for most towing applications, and simple. A lot of guys will point you to T4 setups, and there are advantages to that design, however, for a simple towpig, it's hard to beat what you already have.
Oh yeah, stock ic. I wouldn't waste the money changing it, unless something is broken.

 

[psduser1]

I agree with running from6k! L0l! Where did you get your 160/100 hybrids? Everywhere I've looked the hybrids had 200 or 205. At min. At least stage 3's And please forgive my ignorance cause that's why I'm here is to learn. I guess sometimes folks just assume everyone else knows what they know. Kinda like I am when it comes to electrical work or welding (24 yrs journeyman) Are stage 2 injectors hybrids as well?

If you quit looking at the "stage" it's easier to follow injector sizing. Generally, anything up to 225 cc is an "a" code injector, modded to the desired size.
238 cc s and up are "hybrids", as in "b" code based injectors.
For clarity, usually injectors are listed like this:
160- cc capacity.
100%- nozzle flow capacity
Takes the guesswork out of it, everyone knows what you are describing.

 

[Dirtclod]

it makes better since to me now. Another question. I have 315/75/16 tires. Doing the formula I'm @348 gear. There's been 2 tc's burnt in this truck. Now I have hd rebuild and tc locks up good. Shifts firm. 100k mile 3 yr warranty with upgrade cooler. Should I gear to 410 or wait till after mods and check temps?

 

[psduser1]

If you're having heat issues at the trans, I'd recommend a 6l trans cooler and trans temperature gauge first.

 

[Dirtclod]

Tranny is fine as far temps now. No probs. After I do my engine work I'll check it all out. It will probably be fine. It's got a upgraded cooler. I'll post as I do my mods.

 

[alradco]

I've got a 38r, T500, DP Tuner, Alradco intercooler and aluminum radiator, exhaust and few other things but still on stock injectors. Truck tows great. I may do injectors down the road . I tow a little heavier than you're planning and the intercooler made a night and day differnece when pulling grades but my truck sees more than 19psi.

 

[Arisley]

Some small hybrids would make a ton of difference in your truck.

 

[Dirtclod]

/I've pretty much decided to go with 160/100's. Does anyone know what they do exactly to make these? Is it a stock injector with different nozzles? Or does other stuff have to be changed to them? My reason is I can have mine checked & if their up to spec they'll put new orings and stock nozzles for 30$ apiece. They are a reputable company out of Greensboro NC. But only build for stock injectors. If their ok if just have to buy different nozzles and 1 new one to replace #8. If there's more to it I'll have them built stock and keep them up in case I ever need them. I'm going with the gtp38r since I have new non ebpv pedestal and high flow outlet. All the pipes looked good when my mechanic had them off. I'll probably ceramic coat them and put an age or different manifold as well. Do the fuel system cccv mod and coolant filter. Also oil filter bypass. I'm going with DP chip with 16 settings and Bluetooth. Change rear ends to 410. Go with arrowcraft drw adapters. Should be a dam good pulling truck. Also my lighting needs attention. It don't have cab lights and my pod lights have went out. So lights are coming soon.

 

[psduser1]

The cc size is from honing the stock injector body, probably why that shop doesn't do it. You'll need a shop like full force or pis, probably. Nozzle swap is easy enough, but you'll still have pilot injection. Better to spend the coin and go to a full rebuild, imo.
If you go 160/100, my experience has been 3.73 gears are enough, and work better at freeway speeds with a zf6.

 

[Justin@DP-Tuner]

/I've pretty much decided to go with 160/100's. Does anyone know what they do exactly to make these? Is it a stock injector with different nozzles? Or does other stuff have to be changed to them? My reason is I can have mine checked & if their up to spec they'll put new orings and stock nozzles for 30$ apiece. They are a reputable company out of Greensboro NC. But only build for stock injectors. If their ok if just have to buy different nozzles and 1 new one to replace #8. If there's more to it I'll have them built stock and keep them up in case I ever need them. I'm going with the gtp38r since I have new non ebpv pedestal and high flow outlet. All the pipes looked good when my mechanic had them off. I'll probably ceramic coat them and put an age or different manifold as well. Do the fuel system cccv mod and coolant filter. Also oil filter bypass. I'm going with DP chip with 16 settings and Bluetooth. Change rear ends to 410. Go with arrowcraft drw adapters. Should be a dam good pulling truck. Also my lighting needs attention. It don't have cab lights and my pod lights have went out. So lights are coming soon.

More than just a nozzle swap is done. As stated, they are enlarged to hold/flow more fuel. They are also converted from a split shot to a single shot. The nozzle swap is the easy part.

You may want to think about just getting a set from one of the many 7.3L performance injector builders. They have been doing it for years, and there is much more involved than just a nozzle swap. The warranty is good as well.

We carry Full Force if you are interested in getting them from us when you do your tuner. I can set you up with a package for the tuner and injectors. PM me for more info and pricing.

 

[CarportMechanic]

I wouldn't change your gears. Having a manual gives you the ability to control your RPM's and powerband more effectively. Id save the cash.

I love my setup and its not tuned correctly yet. The 38R spools quick and keeps my EGT's pretty low.

I dont know if I would do a 100% nozzle though, I may be wrong but wouldn't a 100% nozzle only benefit someone going above 3300 rpm? Someone please correct me if im mistaken.

Id think a 160/30% or 80% would be better for daily driving/towing. 30% will burn very clean with good power.

 

[psduser1]

I can't think of one reason to not use an 80 or 100% nozzle vs a 30%, if a guy were going to have a set of injectors rebuilt.

 

[CarportMechanic]

I can't think of one reason to not use an 80 or 100% nozzle vs a 30%, if a guy were going to have a set of injectors rebuilt.

A lot of people think a 30% is a great idea. Most websites you will see the 160/30 or 160/80. Not often do you see a 100% advertised with a 160cc. Not trying to be a smart ass, Im really just trying to learn...

Can you explain the benefits one would see on a 100% vs 30% on small injectors like this?

 

[psduser1]

With a competent tuner, you will make cleaner cooler power with the bigger nozzle, assuming everything that makes an injector work is up to snuff. The bigger nozzle allows a tighter injection window, which helps keep egts and smoke down.