I keep seeing everyone talking that the SCT is the best programmer for the 6.0, what advantages does it have over the Gryphon CS if Bill is programming them? I have a Gryphon in my gas burner and am very happy with the tuning so I will more that likely be going with Bill's tunes again.
SCT or Gryphon
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SCT will be your best option as it will be able to hold 3 custom tunes, which will be the best performance/economy across the board.
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Bill writes great tunes from what I hear and is a GREAT guy to talk and deal with. IMO, the only disadvantage the Gryphon has over the SCT is that you would be limited to only using Bill's tunes. However if you are satisfied with the way your truck responds with his tunes then there really isnt any disadvantage of going with the Gryphon. The SCT is just a more widely supported platform for tuning.
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The gryphoon can read codes better, tune the ficm, roll back the stock strategy, and tune the tcm/pcm. The sct offers more variety in pcm/tcm tuning. If you want one device that can do it all the gryphoon is the way to go.
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I would also go cts. To me they look nicer and I believe it does a few more things and displays more
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Ok let's get one thing straight right now. Neither the CS or CTS gryphons have the capablity to tune the FICM. Only the original gryphons have that capability. To my knowledge, the gryphon (any option) will only display as much as the original Edge CS and CTS models display. Eitherway, every version of the gryphon has the ability to tune and display stuff.
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I recall the PHP FICM tuner can only be used to tune the FICM. Not both the PCM/FICM at the same time.
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This also is a misconception. Yes the PHP FICM tuner you buy for $400 only tunes the FICM. However, the original gryphon has the capability to do both. Now I dont know what the cost associated with that is but I believe that the original gryphon can tune both the ECM and FICM.
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Maybe it has also changed but the edge evo and I'm guessing based on the above posted stuff the older style can be used to remotely tune the ficm. I was unaware that the sc and cts are not capible of ficm tuning. Which if that is the case then the cs/ cts gryphoon is essentially just a gaue system and a tuner and it lessens the advantage against the sct with a cs/cts insight for monitoring...
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Yes this is the way I understand it to be. It is the older evo tuners that are used for both (but separate) ECM and FICM tunes where the CS/CTS are only ECM tuners but I would be willing to bet that Bill's tunes will completely blow the socks off of Edge's tunes that come on their CS/CTS evos. The reason that the CS/CTS gryphons cant do FICM tuning is because of something in either their circuitry or firmware. I know Bill knows why. I just cant remember.
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Hopefully this will clear up any confusion.
The "Original" Gryphon programmer (Colored backlight, monochrome display) can be used as both a FICM programmer and a standard ECM/TCM programmer, just not at the same time. Through the magic of the internet, we can set up downloads to allow the device to program an ECM with a modified tune and then set it run as a FICM programmer, or vice versa. This process is NOT automatic and requires that I setup the specific downloads, so it's not something that a customer will be able to perform at their discretion. In many cases, customer will use the Gryphon to introduce either a modified strategy or Rollback strategy into the ECM/TCM and then once completed we'll set the device to function as a normal FICM programmer from that point on. We can also do the reverse, reflashing the FICM with the desired strategy and then resetting the device to a standard ECM/TCM programmer. As a standard programmer, the device can hold up to 4 standard/custom ECM/TCM tunes and will work on only 1 vehicle. As a FICM programmer, the device holds up to 12 standard/custom tunes with licensing available for multiple vehicles.
As for the CS/CTS programmer (Full color display), these DO NOT have the capability to function as a FICM programmer. The hardware supports it, but the firmware doesn't. We do not have any access to modify the firmware and Edge has no plans to allow us that access, so I cannot add to or modify the functionality of the device like I can on the original Gryphon programmer. To reduce confusion and to help speed the ordering processes, these devices are generally limited to 4 tunes. However, there is no actual physical limitation to the number of tunes we can load on these devices and have had as many as 20 different tunes on a single device. There are certain reasons why this is generally not a practical scenario, but that is outside the scope of this discussion. One advantage with the CS/CTS is the capability to easily expand the available PIDs for monitoring with a simple download. With our custom files, we offer additional PIDs that don't come on the original device and can even take requests for other PIDs on a case by case basis.
As was mentioned, the biggest drawback to using either Gryphon platform for programming is that I am currently the ONLY person that offers custom tuning for them while the SCT has considerably more options for tuning. Edge has discussed creating a more flexible architecture that will allow other dealers to be able to create custom tunes for the CS/CTS devices, but that is still going to be some time away with no definite date as to when. Once it happens, it will really open up the possibilities for these devices.
I hope this helps. Let me know if there are any more questions.
Take care.
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Well, that settles this discussion. Thanks Bill....
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Thank you Bill for the explanation and clarification. I learned a little more. Thank you.
Lubbockguy1979
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Bill, On the original legacy I think it is called evoloution/ gryphoon are you able to add more pids like the cts. Ficm and icp voltage mainly? Other than that your post just about completely awnsered all of my questions from the pm. And btw thanks for the information.
I think I have settled on the Gryphon, I am going to call PHP and see which version is best for my truck. PHP tuned my F150 and I loved it so I am fine with only having the ability to use Bill's tunes. Now I need to sell my F150 to pay for the toys for the F350.
BTW, Thanks Bill for jumping in!
BTW, Thanks Bill for jumping in!
