Time for a new hpop thread

[TyCorr]

You dont have to. Could run a 30% nozzle and it would be just ***kin dandy.

Honestly, there is no reason a 80% nozzled truck couldnt be live tuned, with one tune, and a stock turbo.

Would I? No. I would do the turbo before i even put a chip/tuner on the truck.

 

[Mr.BigOil]

Sometimes its better to embrace a cloak of anonymity than open a can of worms frim whence one may be fed.

Joey, I dont detract anything from what you've accomplished but to agree with someone that "nothing" is taking place is foolish when two people are rolling out new pumps. One if which is a couple bucks more than the t500 and moves more oil.

Im not debating the effectiveness of your t500 but rather the comment made in here.

No problem. Just remember, until a pump has thousands of hours or thousands of miles, it's not proven. The Adrenaline and the T500 are proven, and when you choose one or the other, your not a "tester".

As for the T1000, still testing. Will it get released? Maybe.

 

[m j]

I am curious which one moves more oil then a stroked pump? yet to be released?
only t500 and adreniline are greater displacement then stock from the available ones I know of.

'flow info' on a pump is pretty much displacement in cc x rpm
if the displacement is stock the flow cant be much more.

this stuff is not the mystery you make it to be.

 

[mandkole]

Ive been asking the industry for awhile now for flow numbers. However, I don't think the mfgrs will do that as it will produce more questions than answers. Test equipment, technique, environmental conditions, etc vary the results, not to mention the pump itself being a variable. The biggest issue that I see in this business (reman pumps) is the quality control and performance/quality of the cores they get. Performance pumps have been installed on my truck by the PO that did not run as good as the stocker that's on it now.

There are;
Stock pumps - (new or reman, have variability, but you can get 'good ones')

Reman 'performance' pumps - (said to flow better than stock, but how much more not known. You can still get good ones or bad ones and they are often sorted by a warranty.)

Big Oil - (all with their set of compromises)

 

[Jennifer@Dieselsite]

Bigger is not an option for the original housings than what is currently on market.

We've been down this road before and so have others...

It's not shelved for good but it's definitely not possible in its current design.

Here's another fun one:

Also not shelved for good but shelved for now. Transmissions took charge.

These threads will never go away and new pumps will never go away. You just need to ask yourself what your needs are and what your budget is and then make an educated decision from there. If you get a good deal from a reliable pump builder then you shouldn't feel bad about your choice especially if it does all you call for. Just because it's not "high volume / higher displacement" doesn't mean it won't do the job for you just fine. We just wanted to give people the option of one.

To OUR knowledge (tearing down pumps for cores and we do get all sorts of pumps as cores) Terminator Engineering is the only other manufacturer besides ourselves that makes a larger displacement pump on the market in a stock housing and advertises it correctly as such.

We tell anyone running more then 250/200s to be careful and consider other options like a twins setup or a Gen 3. That's not to say we don't know there are some HAPPY customers holding 300/200s on Adrenalines just fine but we'd rather let the customer make that decision for themselves.

I just don't know what else I can add to this thread (or if I should have even opened my mouth to begin with). I still don't guess I understand the point really either. Just thought I'd throw in what information I could.

 

[TyCorr]

Yep. Its time again. As redundant as you may think it is, its an evolving market.

I have a 17deg pump on my truck right now. My t500 never got any testing time. It was bolted on, moved the truck, took it off to help a friend out. He has paid me for it. Its his.

Id buy another one but im not sure it'll hold icp with 250/200s.

What is everyone running out there? Mainly in trucks that are using a bit of oil. 175 a codes, hybrids, etc. Obviously a stock truck isnt really a big deal but if you had a low icp code and swapped pumps fixing the issue, post up.

Just trying to get a working list of what's currently out there.

Ive only used a t500 briefly and an srp 1.1 along with a few stock pumps.

I would like to find something that will work for me even with higher pw tunes and be done with it.

This isnt that difficult! Between the title and the OP it shouldnt be ambiguous what the thread is for.

Referencing a thread from 2011 isnt any good. Nothing is the same. If we cant use the forum for a thread like this its time to move on and pronounce this platform dead. This is as basic as use of a forum gets.

Anybody unsure, i guess buy an adrenaline or t500 and if that doesn't work then cut your losses and buy a gen 3 or termies.

 

[B.A.D Performance]

Homemade gen3 with 300/200s. 4% duty cycle at wot

 

[Magnum PD]

You get my PM BAD?

 

[CarportMechanic]

I run PIS 175/80's. Have a MB Diesel Pump.

My hottest tune calls for 4.5ms and cant hold more than 1900 PSI.

My "stock" tune calls for 3.3ms and can hold 3,200 PSI all day long.

Tim has indicated these injectors empty around 3ms so I believe this pump will be just fine once tunes are updated.

Still waiting for revised tunes......Justin?????

 

[V-Ref]

I run PIS 175/80's. Have a MB Diesel Pump.

My hottest tune calls for 4.5ms and cant hold more than 1900 PSI.

My "stock" tune calls for 3.3ms and can hold 3,200 PSI all day long.

Tim has indicated these injectors empty around 3ms so I believe this pump will be just fine once tunes are updated.

Still waiting for revised tunes......Justin?????

What's the IPR Duty Cycle % on the 3200 psi/3.3ms tune?

 

[CarportMechanic]

What's the IPR Duty Cycle % on the 3200 psi/3.3ms tune?

35% IPR.

My hottest tune should not call for more than 3.2ms once updated and I believe the pump will keep up fine.

Ill give some more data once the new tunes arrive.

 

[V-Ref]

Thanks for posting that DATA...now we're getting somewhere in this thread

I'd encourage other folks to post:

Nozzle size/ICP/IPR DC/PW ms

Otherwise how great your hpop is or how bad another one is...is just conjecture.

Ideally a % over stock rating would be advertised by manufacturers...

 

[TyCorr]

Thanks for posting that DATA...now we're getting somewhere in this thread

I'd encourage other folks to post:

Nozzle size/ICP/IPR DC/PW ms

Otherwise how great your hpop is or how bad another one is...is just conjecture.

Ideally a % over stock rating would be advertised by manufacturers...

Exactly what I wanted. Not a bunch of bs.

I honestly did this for other people. I know I need big oil or tunes for certain intervals of pw.

But it could be useful info if george q person was able to hold 2900psi with 300/200s. Or whatever. Just wanted an update, current, of what is going on.

Thanks Tim!

 

[thuglike]

Old set-u with Termy twins:

250/200 Industrial Injection with oil side mods

Held rock solid at 3700 psi @ 53% DC in my hot tune
Called for and held 4.7ms set-up did 636 / 1145...DP Tuner

same injectors

Held solid at 3400 psi @ 44% DC in the hot tune
Called for 3.4ms set up did 706/1285.....Jonathan Tunes

Same dyno / same day..everything was logged on AE

 

[Magnum PD]

What is an allowable duty cycle if everything is matched as it should?

 

[PABowhunter]

Old set-u with Termy twins:

250/200 Industrial Injection with oil side mods

Held rock solid at 3700 psi @ 53% DC in my hot tune
Called for and held 4.7ms set-up did 636 / 1145...DP Tuner

same injectors

Held solid at 3400 psi @ 44% DC in the hot tune
Called for 3.4ms set up did 706/1285.....Jonathan Tunes

Same dyno / same day..everything was logged on AE

That's pretty interesting. Lowered the pw by 1.3 ms and picked up 70 hp.

 

[TyCorr]

What is an allowable duty cycle if everything is matched as it should?

Well, adding more did less as you can see from Jasons post.

I would say annything beyond 3.5 is getting out there...

 

[Magnum PD]

That's pulse width right? I'm asking at what percentage of duty cycle is the HPOP doing more than it should? 80%?

 

[V-Ref]

Old set-u with Termy twins:



250/200 Industrial Injection with oil side mods



Held rock solid at 3700 psi @ 53% DC in my hot tune

Called for and held 4.7ms set-up did 636 / 1145...DP Tuner



same injectors



Held solid at 3400 psi @ 44% DC in the hot tune

Called for 3.4ms set up did 706/1285.....Jonathan Tunes



Same dyno / same day..everything was logged on AE

Great data...with dyno #s...that kind of data puts all conjecture to rest.

Be interested in seeing some 200% nozzle Gen 3 #s

 

[Vader's Fury]

I had 250/200% with a gen3. Don't know the PW. Was swamps tuning.

If I remember correctly was 37-38% in the hot street file. In the all out file, was 40%. Held 3200 like a rock.